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PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban] Challenging pronunciation To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 76.13.13.71 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >I'm curious to know what totus' take on my pronunciation, which I sent dir= ectly=20 >to him. I've been forwarding the pronunciations directlly to the Polish list=20 lojban-pl@ggoglegroups.com=A0.=A0 I think I had a problem in=20 distinguishing your sounds. My understanding is that if certain sounds don't exist in a language, then= =20 not only do we have difficulty in pronouncing them - our ears are not tuned= =20 to hearing them either. As I wrote before, the Polish sound is closer to {x} than to {'}.=A0 I chec= ked=20 some=20 stuff by googling IPA and found some disagreement even on which IPA symbols= =20 best represent the Polish eich. totus > > >--=20 >mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu = do=20 >zo'o >(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > >--=20 >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 >"lojban" group. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at=20 >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.