From lojban+bncCJrK5PGGEBD7sPDlBBoEYoD19Q@googlegroups.com Mon Oct 18 02:51:08 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P7mMy-0000hx-JH; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:51:08 -0700 Received: by wyb39 with SMTP id 39sf653260wyb.16 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:50:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:from:organization :to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :x-interia-antivirus:x-emid:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=V5yIaySLQbMh9Lh7Lch22/EmzA0yzjflGefzqT4Q7Vo=; b=Etx+unqpVygR+3wHe5ONvECPMOt9Md4D7Xu6vj/H45rJMHNmFP5kFJ67HQZHTHjSZy iSiy23q/oSyJYbvZ9VU+VftF84X91tJQGPq9EkyE5JeE66GroWye8/xsfh0e+rcVMiMG v7G0jN3NgkjkzvjUQwHZS9G+UwMO7nUo+39SE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:organization:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:x-interia-antivirus:x-emid :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; b=wfq+rEpGgdA+ANOhg8R9SgozYxb+u51G4ILJEDR97j509Y3gZ5SKpyZRDjxiO86UZ0 GQu8F+Iciv96oLO98gk4htUR+jwZYaop3stp3VzQdRQQVoIa0IIJq+uCkhbbF/w0k1MW Ivwh1Mm7PuoNMbC+L6LAvPVZmRhqpyVZxtao0= Received: by 10.216.54.78 with SMTP id h56mr486354wec.2.1287395451791; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:50:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.123.10 with SMTP id u10ls434349eeh.2.p; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.29.7 with SMTP id h7mr2338eea.24.1287395450539; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.29.7 with SMTP id h7mr2337eea.24.1287395450525; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.205]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x41si7121300eeh.7.2010.10.18.02.50.50; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) client-ip=217.74.65.205; Received: by smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL, from userid 502) id 3AEE0BE975; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:50:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zx-spectrum-1 (c204.idd156.nettete.pl [77.79.204.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:50:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jezuch by zx-spectrum-1 with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P7mTJ-0004H3-R1 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:57:38 +0200 From: Krzysztof Sobolewski Organization: Sobole To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Challenging pronunciation Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:57:29 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.36-rc7; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <411619.6727.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <772431.75580.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <772431.75580.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3368891.6bvi8VHaSE"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201010181157.37695.jezuch@interia.pl> X-Interia-Antivirus: OK X-EMID: ca948acc X-Original-Sender: jezuch@interia.pl X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jezuch@interia.pl Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , --nextPart3368891.6bvi8VHaSE Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia poniedzia=B3ek, 18 pa=BCdziernika 2010 o 00:00:44 A. PIEKARSKI napisa= =B3(a): > As I wrote before, the Polish sound is closer to {x} than to {'}. I chec= ked=20 > some=20 >=20 > stuff by googling IPA and found some disagreement even on which IPA symbo= ls=20 > best represent the Polish eich. So it's somewhere in between, which is even worse ;) It's like short and lo= ng vowels in German - Polish vowels are middle-length and it's *really* har= d to learn to shorten them (longening is less problematic, but the regular = pattern is that someone thinks it was long enough, but it's still too short= ). =2D-=20 Ecce Jezuch "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" - M. J. 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