From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDxxfflBBoEJs-tnw@googlegroups.com Tue Oct 19 11:27:15 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P8Gtw-0008Fn-1T; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:27:15 -0700 Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6sf2411769gxk.16 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:27:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=B1d6bBmlLeDvMYOxDmQlHmyiywCNwraz0uwXaUHHiaA=; b=CnVBpHNjnM1rU+C/U0JR5wNMYA0beEClIjckcpOzesHeqjY/Hp5Tw46byb1+ZJvgy5 F/KXLVZxb94XMuhCx83DTBddfeeSGpcdvDPVB9hcZZJ1iVzUfxWQlJGLt5cwCkseLAZU Q503wsvKPmcMLWCPYAfOtCYg19AkRZTmYEKmg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ozCaNjH/zYHlEC8WmRBEFMOx3E8n+0RJ0tmCs9MnpIqLM02+UxV7IIu/y/Y/0V+k4w QM0xek1lAYGAUfLZ+Zm3Te61xQvOAJqEyUbNbI8savmH4YgFVF8qCrwlGgzzPr2Bzv5U RzrHWZR/7/6msqp/hgC05T45ehKAY9dQnwEqg= Received: by 10.90.88.7 with SMTP id l7mr123903agb.48.1287512817361; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:26:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.17.28 with SMTP id 28ls65485agq.6.p; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.49.6 with SMTP id b6mr1827305ybk.43.1287512816678; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.49.6 with SMTP id b6mr1827304ybk.43.1287512816642; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id p9si209740ybk.12.2010.10.19.11.26.55; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.123 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.123; Received: (qmail 70119 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2010 18:26:54 -0000 Message-ID: <817128.69646.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6fKHDLUVM1mZLMZsUwE69lq1kqZ5d7KTVenQ12oAtK0u4fb Uf4JADEtCuITUVv68mZi888_GsBEU99fBt6Qj3WSivDU8Zp0Hq5vMWQTKWgz 7eMenhDt4zf5V0h5bdduf89Z1ryaZur3c3fXBxPbmBOTmdIhxQBOnJ43ElCh itFfrmD42..yuy0fKcW2QDk.MBJGFT0JWgekQabFqI3VeQBDN6hbT3KyABVv pFQZdxwpsS6qkaSekCb6ERiSoP9MPiEG5R5letXtTcgoek6meYcoJC78thLA 8OgmgHbp6AAN36wVIwep.qLos7Gyr7txHDbWrvqYY488G_RmFTLvTId59XuD mckai3YzXqBuqe2Kb3hc_0wzckHlJh_6heaediw-- Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:26:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/504.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.106.282862 References: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:26:54 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] video about lo & le To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.123 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2062408181-1287512814=:69646" --0-2062408181-1287512814=:69646 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lord only knows! But the general principle: if you have particular brodas (or something very like that) in mind, use 'le', still applies. Otherwise use 'lo' but be sure they really are brodas (usually easy, because they are not yet particular things but mentioned only by their brodaness). There are always some iffy cases, but we manage somehow. ________________________________ From: maikxlx To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 12:04:49 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] video about lo & le Nice video. But I am unclear about what you say about the veridicality distinction situation. Is that distinction now optional? On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Stela Selckiku wrote: *dons asbestos underwear* > >I made this video attempting to explain the history and meaning of lo >& le: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZtWNZ-WD5g > >mi'e .telselkik. mu'o > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >"lojban" group. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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Lord only knows!  But the general principle: = if you have particular brodas (or something very like that) in mind, use 'l= e', still applies.  Otherwise use 'lo' but be sure they really are bro= das (usually easy, because they are not yet particular things but mentioned= only by their brodaness).  There are always some iffy cases, but we m= anage somehow.


From: maikxlx &= lt;maikxlx@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent= : Tue, October 19, 2010 12:04:49 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] video about lo & le

Nice video.  But I am unclear about what you say about = the veridicality distinction situation.  Is that distinction now = optional? 

 
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Stela Selckiku = <selckiku@gmail.co= m> wrote:
*dons asbestos underwear*

I m= ade this video attempting to explain the history and meaning of lo
& le: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpZtWNZ-WD5g

mi= 'e .telselkik. mu'o

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