From lojban+bncCMPA7-ejFhCu0_vlBBoEiT6FxQ@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 20 06:08:13 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P8YOo-0002Vt-IQ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:08:13 -0700 Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4sf1717547vws.16 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:08:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cGk1DrB3zYSrIRi1umxc8AcC3jAqeXaYHpqeqUU0ZjY=; b=SqqGoiXdS6IgNHNZGMiPHTTBxlDdvEIvQu9r5if9poQ3ImdLIcxR7higx3VftGhuY6 iCFerqtMlC9KwFxFXRe2eITScXnaz80/gkC1kyUaT/MD1jHdp1cT7YkhbmKr3G/lzVZV rhA+dkLUHIYkue+zh2G3vt46RGHadZ+Z0AZIY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=jGWmeyPdeKQ1T2OXDpNy9GA9eAL39ZNFy8PrUp+el9V2OCBM0ogOeXV/aHb8daQhge BH25hFcvO/iSNxcoYhwzoIJgIzvS9cTImA46mB1sDuGY+l2nEBMi84doBk2i8u+9sM1v ggPheh1JVaAu3zkSE1yRxJCA1L1T93FuNZRm8= Received: by 10.220.187.132 with SMTP id cw4mr23098vcb.30.1287580078480; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:07:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.52.1 with SMTP id f1ls263316vcg.0.p; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.192.129 with SMTP id dq1mr1907459vcb.2.1287580077264; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.192.129 with SMTP id dq1mr1907454vcb.2.1287580077058; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f51.google.com (mail-gw0-f51.google.com [74.125.83.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j10si77606yha.2.2010.10.20.06.07.55; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com designates 74.125.83.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.51; Received: by gwaa20 with SMTP id a20so2065777gwa.10 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:07:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.87.19 with SMTP id k19mr451830agb.143.1287580075912; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.232.6 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:07:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:07:55 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] video about lo & le From: Brian Shannon To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com designates 74.125.83.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@googlemail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I was referring to the fact that...and not to, > well, basically any of what you just said. In particular, my use of the word > ...wherein the...problem you mentioned is not occurring. But it *can* occur and so a distinction must be made. Any attempt to represent "lo" and "le" as if they directly correspond with the English "a" and "the" is malglico. Simplest possible accurate translation imo (incorrectly assuming singular for simplicity): lo = that which really is le = what I have in mind and describe as When you use this translation for a short while, it becomes quick and easy to understand the actual meaning behind each word without having to read it like above. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.