From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCb-PvlBBoEuh9_zg@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 20 07:26:52 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P8Zcu-0001nC-AN; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:52 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf1881227wwe.16 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=uHwQb1KjgNFlcDIof5aoLGapxtEmagslReCD6NUclTE=; b=VywuL6j6gmhBuakany2sJDxa5wSpUVnInLr6A3X3Y0hM4M2k+1CzfpFO8NoI/oosf6 Y4Sz2sXMHbuOnUjELssKK56fF+ZZeLwv4k4z8sxoq9vjzkkxo/6Qc43LYAARjF7PJBCr XEwV9jO0elCI2EMifySSgBu0bwTQMZhCHcizg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D4PRgOa5D5cS/QztkRSdNBCWMcBpUagoewLaaPH7IOsxYbnklc4bw4ar8yD/4MAYu5 itzfqvxdsH8A8ZEWb3wlj52HvwO/cAADeGa6RuVy+wHoLaXAT4LXAx12TuSCQ6wYuOvO DfyOg0LJlW3zCjwzWC1V3xjNoPi9Qpv2ryhDk= Received: by 10.216.12.7 with SMTP id 7mr1003340wey.26.1287584795570; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.198.162 with SMTP id v34ls661333wen.3.p; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.48.68 with SMTP id u46mr454585web.12.1287584794435; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.48.68 with SMTP id u46mr454584web.12.1287584794397; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x26si87530weq.8.2010.10.20.07.26.33; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.46; Received: by mail-ww0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 22so3479524wwb.27 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.128.201 with SMTP id l9mr8000456wbs.22.1287584793173; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.32.140 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:26:32 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] despite ... From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > > In fact in the CLL {gu X gi Y} is reported as: > > "X is true, wheter or not Y" I was afraid so. You used it with the other order in the witch comic translation though, right? Or did I misinterpret what you meant there? > Let me see if I understand. {to'e mu'i nai} is to be grouped as {(to'e > mu'i) nai} > =A0{mu'i} is for "motivated by" > =A0{to'e mu'i} is for "demotived by" > =A0{to'e mu'i nai} is for "not demotived by" > > Correct? The actual parse is "to'e (mu'i nai)", so you would just have to accept that the oposite of "not motivated by" is "not demotivated by". But that seems to me easier to accept than just "nai" turning "motivated by" into "not demotivated by". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.