From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCop4bmBBoEZqz1Lg@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 22 06:38:06 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P9Hoj-0007BQ-3s; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:38:05 -0700 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf438640wwb.16 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:37:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xnG/B0fO4vXqJqfRAr06nSN4jPoqX9gQoZODGRq9dqU=; b=Z7L7qInZjaluFHoN8goTj7qIrGIboQiTYOc4Hf9OexG6/ezQlAS6Q4cq9rzi+dTAVY Uq9QexidmOG0OcTxUxwzSDbviZqHx5RkYGjQ3a+CXmxl0IiSptfuV9FY61Fvg/rCgZQL wezdx99woAS1+0swKXyiF7GcGGQ+7bukq/rZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=5a4BjaD8R4I28ISkG2o7qo3p9ymg44tCeidopOoZQZx8HQY3m41JniCokJVmbXZsq4 btsrCuoX/6JuIMJV73BOPJMcIOuOr2+lO1j3KYIUCnibVtb5HnZVT2Ha/RJ5iqBTIKCN giTvYppztblh0NRrd50G1biuPf6Jm2xO/6jnY= Received: by 10.216.237.35 with SMTP id x35mr381681weq.5.1287754664770; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:37:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.208.4 with SMTP id p4ls1610865weo.2.p; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.211 with SMTP id y61mr136818wea.14.1287754663821; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.211 with SMTP id y61mr136817wea.14.1287754663803; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f174.google.com (mail-wy0-f174.google.com [74.125.82.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x80si954578weq.12.2010.10.22.06.37.42; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.174; Received: by mail-wy0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 28so884252wyf.5 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:37:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.145.69 with SMTP id c5mr2765676wbv.168.1287754661991; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.32.140 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:37:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:37:41 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] mistakes From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Stela Selckiku wrote= : > 2010/10/22 Jorge Llamb=EDas : >> >> But of course it's allowed to make mistakes in Lojban! How could it >> not be? The only people who make no mistakes are those that don't ever >> use the language. > > Well that was the rule, for years! =A0No one was allowed to speak > Lojban. =A0Not without weathering severe criticism, anyway! What rule? When? I've been speaking Lojban since a couple of weeks after I started learning it, and nobody has ever told me I couldn't do it. And of course I have made my good share of mistakes. I guess the difference between "severe criticism" and "helpful corrections" has to do as much with the giver as with the receiver. Not everybody is always extremely polite, and some people are too thin-skinned, what can you do? > I hear it was even worse before I was involved, like the Loglan days. > I read something the other day about how everyone sent their attempts > at Loglan to JCB, and he just didn't send them on to anyone else > because he didn't think they were good enough, they were all just > hidden away, and like one person wrote a text and published it anyway > but JCB was furious! =A0Is that really what it was like, oldbies? Something like that, yes, I hear he had to FTC everything (fine-tooth-comb), but that was long before Al Gore invented the internets. Nothing like that ever went on with Lojban. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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