From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCI_ofmBBoEPoJm3A@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 22 14:16:09 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P9Oy5-0007zy-3Y; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:16:09 -0700 Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42sf1409709yxe.16 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:15:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Gn5rKILpinTThwDeJlYJIy5BGdcNDhFM7O13JrOX77s=; b=Jug85ZOQZGauQaISnSW56T+MxGjznKJmXBO5D+PHCX/2gorSd5oorWGSm1D16JIzr4 sn4oek3oj+SuHm9CqgZDjRyuV/KZLCgHGGiX883VOqk9+Mg7j/WK8tTiqFs8bVBIuJT0 amPz9F/cWzhVDTGDaXD85tJIFNLhIc4LtUs2U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=M8sT5BGK39y7xvn+bTQ1RozfnI9aBVMheR3URe2XF5vcim8WgcYqVQcanoKS4hPiVg 576h4zp4J1n4ARz4kTE4lCI2bFYFQorQUCY4grFOqBLs0lY2aSacDWBck0MGe3mr5y02 89+H6+L5d7bjcGHV5brOGr6X9zvvycOm5TXho= Received: by 10.151.3.13 with SMTP id f13mr574799ybi.79.1287782152268; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:15:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.112.41 with SMTP id u41ls3085826ibp.1.p; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.11.136 with SMTP id t8mr476264ibt.0.1287782151576; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.11.136 with SMTP id t8mr476262ibt.0.1287782151516; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f178.google.com (mail-iw0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cm31si2147646ibb.3.2010.10.22.14.15.50; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.178; Received: by mail-iw0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 1so1627461iwn.37 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:15:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.15.8 with SMTP id i8mr3172039iba.12.1287782150375; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.199.144 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:15:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:15:50 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] mistakes From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=002215047c9b9f084804933b2538 --002215047c9b9f084804933b2538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > When I say "in most circumstances" I mean "all those circumstances where > people are talking about drinking alcoholic beverages (excluding birje and > probably a few others =p)" > I know, I was merely speculating as to why there is a generic "alcohol" gismu. > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: >> >>> I see. The youth of the language makes it more un-stable. That makes >>> sense. I was mostly talking about rapid-fire conversation (i.e. informal >>> and not necessarily having many listeners). >>> >>> Another example of this kind of snowballing thing. {xalka}. I've seen >>> it used a few times and so have used it myself in places like {.ui mi pinxe >>> lo mutce xalka .uisai}, completely unaware of the existence of {jikru} which >>> seems far more appropriate in most circumstances. >>> >> >> I think the purpose of xalka is for medical alcohol, or just alcohol in >> general, as opposed to just drinking alcohol. jikru obviously can't be used >> for for rubbing alcohol. >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu >> do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Luke Be= rgen <lukeabe= rgen@gmail.com> wrote:
When I say "in most circumstances" I mean "all those circums= tances where people are talking about drinking alcoholic beverages (excludi= ng birje and probably a few others =3Dp)"

I k= now, I was merely speculating as to why there is a generic "alcohol&qu= ot; gismu.
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= wrote:


On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Lu= ke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I see. =A0The youth of the language makes it more un-stable. =A0That makes = sense. =A0I was mostly talking about rapid-fire conversation (i.e. informal= and not necessarily having many listeners).

Another exa= mple of this kind of snowballing thing. =A0{xalka}. =A0I've seen it use= d a few times and so have used it myself in places like {.ui mi pinxe lo mu= tce xalka .uisai}, completely unaware of the existence of {jikru} which see= ms far more appropriate in most circumstances.

I think the purpose of xalka is for medical al= cohol, or just alcohol in general, as opposed to just drinking alcohol. jik= ru obviously can't be used for for rubbing alcohol.

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