From lojban+bncCNuStaWoDxCA1IzmBBoE6bIb_w@googlegroups.com Sat Oct 23 11:31:45 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P9isX-0006D3-Kr; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:31:44 -0700 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf1517497wyb.16 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:31:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:message-id:date :from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ovKqR1DyRq+LcvK80arMFaJ1vFcovJG0zhxLtArZ/10=; b=f0UZofsKE1XZN8CAKTdyuEdcnxev42FiMzpg3tC/I6gkgGFFqoBabfJNiBDeq6h1E/ cA7Hp9qojOQD+K+6bVHY7cb1bVe18G9RouWhxAK/GfE7qVXz0kUJfLSAiqC8GBdhcep9 R2dt2eRxNPW+izD3WnlS2yvNpi+CGPHehibIw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nrv5L40r7DSPxs2p/pL6t+Mtat2UmSUyiB6LGxojDfMOVqmLqcdpqR0i0c/SfjSXZi jLefjbBn9RX9e4sb2N0OIQCSU0C+iwpTKsgY2nUpjHba+qZAScRHSxypEC/paGYMSmSE w9UPzlbsD3A2YYIJUHqSF3/4RFMwrXvBaLvbI= Received: by 10.216.237.35 with SMTP id x35mr672444weq.20.1287858688845; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:31:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.198.213 with SMTP id ep21ls1714984wbb.2.p; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.19 with SMTP id q19mr22623web.0.1287858687335; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.19 with SMTP id q19mr22622web.0.1287858687296; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f52.google.com (mail-ww0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t18si1455580wes.9.2010.10.23.11.31.26; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.52; Received: by mail-ww0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 22so1817816wwb.9 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.137.71 with SMTP id v7mr4442966wbt.149.1287858686038; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i19sm3814417wbe.17.2010.10.23.11.31.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CC329FA.4010903@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:31:22 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: mistakes References: <2e5916b3-0d1a-4a20-bcc9-a65336245874@29g2000prb.googlegroups.com> <4CC228C5.3060509@gmail.com> <99563fa3-0c6c-4ae7-9d1f-1cd9439eeb40@g20g2000prg.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <99563fa3-0c6c-4ae7-9d1f-1cd9439eeb40@g20g2000prg.googlegroups.com> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lindar, On 23/10/2010 16:14: > And, you just kinda... went the opposite way there. > > "We don't agree enough." > "Nuh-uh!" > > You kinda proved the point there. > =3DP Well, aye, there was a certain irony to my dissenting response; but I see t= he purpose of rational argument as being to seek a mutual understanding, ei= ther to reach a common set of conclusions, when all parties share the same = axioms, or to achieve a clear understanding of one another's axioms when th= e parties' axioms differ. The focus of discussion is naturally on the diffe= rences of views, because it's in dealing with those differences that discus= sion is needed. But it's also true that when I discuss with my students, ra= ther than my peers and colleagues, I do much more as you would recommend, s= ince the goal is to foster the student's development, not to seek a mutual = understanding. (On Lojban-list I've always felt myself to be among peers.) I do acknowledge, though, that many newcomers might be discouraged in the w= ay you say they are, so my disagreement is more with the essay you asked us= to read than with your sensible advice about how newcomers should be treat= ed. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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