From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCF4pzmBBoENcQqyg@googlegroups.com Tue Oct 26 12:50:44 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PApXd-0003Y0-ML; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:50:44 -0700 Received: by vws14 with SMTP id 14sf1483480vws.16 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ANC1oJdgP30TT3BSP/gXY+w2ZTftD30kcj+4+SiuTiQ=; b=ViZOLNg3iwTd4oXpn7WObunhgNu86qbi7qKLIeXmYYBAfzN/5Z03eneW5sx/H9zwVA DnXvzw2a2k/QKo2cDCNQwr1UXJSNl/8iIappvfmzj7JNfvRsAIP5Tt/EKPw1gr0cqA4S BmJogCgb6jpEvHwhDkoD3vUZJTUJflFgt8S4o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kDcfrIuzAp6klmmu1EYWp9qXTXwaDUu5B6U5wvywtahy+GAE4AH2zuq1HYrrIvJ8Y0 bfnBOIkowEFjcf0UTe29oU95wSPo2UH8uGlcO+k93uZVus2ajadOzVe6fxmx2FSg8hnz GTaSJMqZm1ic7nm+AVs4ENWOffBgKwEFOQ+QE= Received: by 10.220.185.140 with SMTP id co12mr201055vcb.27.1288122629168; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:50:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.52.1 with SMTP id f1ls9006vcg.0.p; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.181.131 with SMTP id by3mr1287378vcb.10.1288122628379; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.181.131 with SMTP id by3mr1287377vcb.10.1288122628355; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j32si1464696vbp.2.2010.10.26.12.50.27; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.175; Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so2703855qyk.6 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:50:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.179.16 with SMTP id bo16mr1830260qab.370.1288122627182; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.233.132 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:50:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:50:27 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] vrici cimei From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Oleksii Melnyk wrote: > > > 2010/10/26 Michael Turniansky >> >> "anything which exhibits a =A0quaility Q of not-being-able-to-Y >> which measures somewhere between 0 and X's value of Q (inclusive) can >> Y, but probably nothing whose value of Q is higher than X's value of >> Q". > > Shouldn't that be just "X is surprisingly good at Q"? > Only if you mean that in the sense that it's a surprise that X can do it at all, not in the sense of X is in any way expert at Y (like the proverbial dancing bear). The statement you quoted, however, referred to ALL things, not just X, as long as they at least as good at Y as X is. (Which is the positive way of expressing it, rather than the confusing negative way I laid out). --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.