From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBC7uqHmBBoEXrfDkg@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 27 10:11:39 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PB9XD-00088j-F1; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:11:39 -0700 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf461846wyb.16 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:11:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :sender:received:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=51/Cuinv52ObacA/DPpNKcQm/vZTL960Y8c/eyel8pU=; b=boilnkefVYsEL33D+uHBJ/r1uALnIUBmsxvedcy+0W9oNiIUvRnJlWMet4ybxV6j5n MLpvI5/4pLXSLfBgO433e118pS7SYTSy0uqZhJJ9TauOp8H4WbHhdcjUMxdG4dDIcUpP SDuvl7RmhVFphqQhQr2VzVvR4n/KD9CmOnYeI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=EqRULnehZXzSWOO8YFiOlyt1a0NsimuqtJ5phSDqj1icCP+oRsx4RJc1XbvNze1s7U IynC+QHv9WlyIuUtNRre9T+ojKZYyrE8pwWvhA1Pb9d+wy/dUTyImvY2KJZgltPvBLhk yjMvyJfnhNf/Czdu4OZR75fGO6Q/OUnSnKnlc= Received: by 10.216.23.16 with SMTP id u16mr167578weu.9.1288199483762; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:11:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.198.213 with SMTP id ep21ls383376wbb.2.p; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.129.19 with SMTP id m19mr302649wbs.29.1288199482287; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.95.200 with SMTP id e8mr157386fan.6.1288191643877; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.95.200 with SMTP id e8mr157385fan.6.1288191643850; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f46.google.com (mail-fx0-f46.google.com [209.85.161.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 15si2321345faj.7.2010.10.27.08.00.42; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.46; Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so763220fxm.33 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:00:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.101.142 with SMTP id c14mr2509092fao.94.1288191642317; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.79.76 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:00:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Lexical Semantics From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 According to this monograph, http://www.eskimo.com/~ram/lexical_semantics.html all verbs (predicates) can be considered in terms of its dynamism (static or dynamic) and the case role(s) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta_role) of its argument(s). These properties are abbreviated as follows: s = static d = dynamic P = patient (or experiencer) F = focus (or goal) A = agent AP = agent-patient Combined, they can indicate what we in Lojbanistan call a predicate's place structure plus its dynamism. For example: la alis cu viska lo ractu (P/F-s) The event denoted by {viska} is a perceptive state, so it's static. It's also spontaneous whereby {la alis} is passively the patient, and {lo ractu} is the focus of the event. In other words, x1 is P, and x2 is F. Therefore "P/F-s". Another example: la alis cu catlu lo ractu (AP/F-s) In the event of {catlu}, {la alis} is not only the patient but also the agent in maintaining the state of "looking at". The x1 of {catlu} is therefore AP. A dynamic predicate involves a change in state. For example: la alis cu visfa'i lo ractu (P/F-d) This bridi expresses an event in which the relationship between {la alis} and {lo ractu} changes from "has not found" to "has found". The monograph lays out on a few other case roles such as "co-subject" and "non-subject". An example of "co-subject" in Lojban may be the x1 and x4 of {canja}, both of which are equally the experiencers of the event of {canja}. My question is: Is it possible to analyse all Lojban selbri from this linguistic perspective, consistently? It seems worthwhile because the monograph is intended to be "a reference manual for a machine translation interlingua", which i suppose is one of Lojban's design principles too. For instance, how would you analyse {klama} according to the scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.