From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRCV0KHmBBoETlmLVg@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 27 10:57:56 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBAG0-0003lE-Q9; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:57:55 -0700 Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20sf1471435gwj.16 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:57:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3VPfrTIR4TOx84AGmNmKP0FfEXL5tBALfqKmECXdMjc=; b=DS3Wc1zm5sj0fa+F/cnGaa9Do1G+XSViikd3E+XLlvkMF1tk2HxX33iEe74TjB1git SRl/REan4CY+ZNuZg5xlxOmtID6ivzrOgiwbqUSILti2II0A5Ow8/O9vbJdeTBnAQkiq h6oX6bdNys1WRdTdjuxc5b1TlD5lvR6ElHMuo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=5jt7/dZqjGFqliEkAzq5nSgIGrpnCRHJIda0FC3M4NLbfNYYAPXrYqMihQagZ2L1oV p9yvPF/LLr/BL7M3lg3JOt1zfKsUKpeaXa/srgzXq/pRc9No/VtzM3994jDM/UhhFhgC +ucm2TuT+PF/dyEv0NmnkOcpzsi2d2MYK8bj8= Received: by 10.100.14.17 with SMTP id 17mr208503ann.59.1288202261182; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:57:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.231.3 with SMTP id d3ls367099anh.7.p; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.251.20 with SMTP id y20mr4074861anh.38.1288202260301; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.251.20 with SMTP id y20mr4074860anh.38.1288202260288; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.118]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id b27si4962ana.1.2010.10.27.10.57.39; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.118 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.118; Received: (qmail 99895 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2010 17:57:38 -0000 Message-ID: <758285.95124.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: MkB86gMVM1kGUEHhmhGBUumIybEUXfiBzDeJfYR4IQVRld9 LgmzWe4jkAu2Zvmw.ETxFA6ba3JqqSM4i4tqQB46f6nWJx9lIoW89HbZiaAj Ltxxbq4C0sja5c3H8Qm.ssyxijvg4vG0eeYBzJpoTS4wctQO9iUpI_CY4rk1 b1zZoSU3NNQJGDF1w7jM3TqL.7LjPZNJ2EXq7l7RLlZVcYCc5.gI_9PcvaLc jN2feyvSSAd42GTcNcE_sAhnslGKLPVIgEizE35X9lz.PQ9e3pcOavh1MwnS oBVEUodhLl_rBX.P0UE_bqkCjuxJj7VBK27R7DFs1qgR_o7A0QzSFmE84mGb qDjIz9pXymvdkdgsM4J1EbmMJjrz8UuBIsiSN Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:57:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/504.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.284920 References: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Lexical Semantics To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nice to see this still around --- and in interlingua yet. You can manage to get all of Lojban in, but some of the more oblique oblique arguments be may be hard or give divided answers. BTW, dynamic need not involve a change of state in its conceptualization (e.g., running). ----- Original Message ---- From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 10:00:42 AM Subject: [lojban] Lexical Semantics According to this monograph, http://www.eskimo.com/~ram/lexical_semantics.html all verbs (predicates) can be considered in terms of its dynamism (static or dynamic) and the case role(s) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta_role) of its argument(s). These properties are abbreviated as follows: s = static d = dynamic P = patient (or experiencer) F = focus (or goal) A = agent AP = agent-patient Combined, they can indicate what we in Lojbanistan call a predicate's place structure plus its dynamism. For example: la alis cu viska lo ractu (P/F-s) The event denoted by {viska} is a perceptive state, so it's static. It's also spontaneous whereby {la alis} is passively the patient, and {lo ractu} is the focus of the event. In other words, x1 is P, and x2 is F. Therefore "P/F-s". Another example: la alis cu catlu lo ractu (AP/F-s) In the event of {catlu}, {la alis} is not only the patient but also the agent in maintaining the state of "looking at". The x1 of {catlu} is therefore AP. A dynamic predicate involves a change in state. For example: la alis cu visfa'i lo ractu (P/F-d) This bridi expresses an event in which the relationship between {la alis} and {lo ractu} changes from "has not found" to "has found". The monograph lays out on a few other case roles such as "co-subject" and "non-subject". An example of "co-subject" in Lojban may be the x1 and x4 of {canja}, both of which are equally the experiencers of the event of {canja}. My question is: Is it possible to analyse all Lojban selbri from this linguistic perspective, consistently? It seems worthwhile because the monograph is intended to be "a reference manual for a machine translation interlingua", which i suppose is one of Lojban's design principles too. For instance, how would you analyse {klama} according to the scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.