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PIEKARSKI" Subject: [lojban] Fw: xagrai and superlatives To: lojban@googlegroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 98.139.53.202 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all. I sent this to the jbovlaste list, but got no response whatsoever. That's why it's here.=A0 There appear to have been two 'schools of thought'= =20 on this.=A0 I would like to know if there is concensus now. totus ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: A. PIEKARSKI > To: jbovlaste@lojban.org > Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 10:17:19 AM > Subject: xagrai and superlatives >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I have just seen this=A0a lujvo in jbovlaste=A0that really irks me: >=20 > xagrai > t1=3Dx1 is optimal in property t2 of extremity t3 among range t4. >=20 > While technically, a lujvo can be defined as anything, it should be=20 > reasonable.=A0 The property here=A0is 'goodness' so what is t2 doing ther= e? >=20 > If you subscribe to the convention of keeping the places in the same orde= r=20 > the same as those in the originating gismu, then the lujvo should be: >=20 > 1) t1=3Dx1 is the best for x2 by standard x3, the extreme being t3, among= =20 > set/range t4 > =A0 > from: > t1=3Dx1 traji loka xamgu x2 x3 kei t3 t4 > =A0 > OR > =A0 > If on the other hand you prefer the convention of reordering he places so= that=20 > the most used ones come first, and rarely used ones get dropped, then: > =A0 > 2) t1=3Dx1 is the best among set/range t4 for x2 by standard x3 > =A0 > Superlatives are used frequently, in particular {xagrai}, so it would be = good=20 > to get some consensus on this. > =A0 > Opinions please. > =A0 > totus >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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