From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRCE2qfmBBoED0LPHQ@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 28 14:37:24 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBa9v-0005Jf-ES; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:37:24 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf3384459gyd.16 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:37:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=52CLLBLSgWE7z7Cf4sZ5Z0JR4Bou3jFODk9QVxWxkW0=; b=KQQoYmzOm6XzJZin1ENTADQDhx7GblRNiwlZ4TFrY5asYNNzgZKEosTCP48/I90p3b COHSJh5/fEcG2BUcyknwX9JdqstHKWQkwkUSmhnQD8AKuZiurZkxrwJRzEaCHo2gGYFN xpwiJEiW2k5eePbSnzpG3QbLXbBNgFJDkXdLo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=5XVEh5dzcjXNfKZeHqcvxJeG7LfnpzjM5R+cauRDqw3pAL0/OpGqjh/jTt+OTzcQxR aL/ol0GO29+x2GWH6KYe/zX0iRsKA7VRwEJzIoJd8LzURHLymV8E1p3vzXJxHL7cc7w/ fAcOJo0AeyHuMy4J1tDRF0Jm6BOCASISvEZVo= Received: by 10.151.115.16 with SMTP id s16mr1802303ybm.8.1288301828495; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:37:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.28.24 with SMTP id f24ls798243anj.0.p; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:37:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.58.5 with SMTP id l5mr530643ank.61.1288301827828; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by n3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:37:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 166.134.48.235 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.12,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <43c4b5ca-0867-48ed-b8bc-6d6da12ecc77@n3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Counterfactual Conditions From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > (1) is an indicative conditional Expressed with the appropriate mu'i/ki'u/ri'a/bai/etc. > (2) is a counterfactual conditional .o/jo/gu'o/gi'e/go If I understand it correctly, one necessitates the other in this instance. Where {.i ganai carvi gi mi bevri lo santa} says that I carry the umbrella if it rains, {.i go carvi gi mi bevri lo santa} says that if it rains, I bring my umbrella, and if I bring my umbrella, it rains. (Feel free to correct me on this.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.