From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhC83KvmBBoEJlCI_A@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 29 08:54:54 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBrI0-00039j-2w; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:54:53 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf3419678qwh.16 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:54:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AYWmHmCX73646qQYLK2ojmgAIiuiSzQExsVEUBtkGkw=; b=VmfBzLE6a78L3yDosSio2JWpPNUIUSsnwAk4pgMIgFIICif5brbenkmbozNzEe8IAz rfbhb/PA0FaD1WMKAh0IWpg/kJmkfBtS03ipBxk+AsCBGKvgfpyGQAk2k+P6tI5FBGmJ 4DVbxqA7Iy1uw+iM1LOSJIM3zy9od7PHF+rj8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lME93nDQu2gvNlppEYVyyskrIJAA07Ib4dAjc3mjSpn2VTPBXkfzsSzd57cLzkz1Ge ruYfKpPPr70UnNUppGTsGl4QMNPeuX9fJ2GbTt90sDbAH8CwPgiVxbWDCaZDn57tTqBN MSQmazF7v624NYCnzxvZ1arxiRvrRdohOpdu4= Received: by 10.229.2.69 with SMTP id 5mr751531qci.9.1288367676843; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:54:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.56.161 with SMTP id y33ls1310706qcg.1.p; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.229.195 with SMTP id jj3mr1338545qcb.26.1288367675891; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.229.195 with SMTP id jj3mr1338544qcb.26.1288367675864; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f46.google.com (mail-qw0-f46.google.com [209.85.216.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id u1si1404251qco.1.2010.10.29.08.54.34; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.46; Received: by qwf7 with SMTP id 7so2446629qwf.19 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:54:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.75.1 with SMTP id w1mr11989090qcj.100.1288367674735; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.233.132 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:54:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:54:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "merely" From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think you would want to put your po'o there, Luke. I think that scopes too widely. That might imply (for example) the only thing you did all day was hit John. You want it after the darxi. You also could emphasize the contrast by putting ku'i after the .i (or after the po'o), but I don't think it's necessary, either. I feel the po'o would be plenty fine. --gejyspa On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > Hmm, that seems like it has a similar problem as {po'o} though. =A0I want= to > express "I did not kill john. =A0I hit him non-lethal thing>". =A0It seems like "merely" in english has a connotatio= n > that links it to the previous sentence (or to some implied other action a= s > in the case of "I only want what's best for you lethal 'I enjoy ruining your life'>"). > Would it be legitimate to say something like "mi na catra la djan > .ipo'oje'ubo mi darxi .dy"? =A0Would that have the connotation that I'm > looking for by linking the sentences with {bo}? > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Jameson Orndorff > wrote: >> >> I think {je'u} attached to either the whole bridi or darxi or po'o >> attached to darxi will work fine. po'o implies a scope, so you have no >> worries of people thinking that your sole interaction ever with John >> is hitting him. >> >> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Luke Bergen >> wrote: >> > How would you express this in lojban? =A0I'm pretty sure it'd be a >> > discursive >> > or evidential, but I couldn't find an appropriate one. >> > I did not kill john. =A0I merely hit him. >> > I was thinking {po'o}, but that might just be malglico telling me that >> > sometimes you hear "I didn't kill john. =A0I only hit him". =A0I don't= think >> > it >> > has the same connotation. >> > >> > -- --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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