From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARCSwK3mBBoE4YVKFQ@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 29 17:00:32 2010 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBys1-0000Rn-2q; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:00:32 -0700 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf74771pxi.16 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:00:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=w+O1K/JIyhLPu9VfPnS68jXPqiN4no7MELCBGig3Xp8=; b=PDOWAs10wm1r86VPu094mT6LWdqDF9ufvuVan3vdEXj2RrLxB1u73+W9MRwNWuU2ci ipCLa5x+ApNPnfhoRczAvuHLvNHaxrsOdA8Od2vSyBcZl0UaUmbAn0dCQyv3Z0HABJ5k 5KOt/yQ2M+lMk9tG5+glRFvCN0ajuantsoqiw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Tom7F0xEeNPyG6elxCEdJKvpIv8Q4m1Q4g1SCGrbpIqT4zn57SeWuOQHBw1kqHn5kK cps+TlM0t1VKCcbn8Y2U5Qmx2UCZ6/RNm8XAcRCtZb0xEx3SyBE1nb8jMQ89g89ytHf6 ASicWQhJpIkFZWWDk6DkDmNL0ZW+Gh2+lEW+U= Received: by 10.143.27.40 with SMTP id e40mr112886wfj.31.1288396818752; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:00:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls2223105wff.3.p; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.203.17 with SMTP id a17mr1424458wfg.69.1288396818125; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.203.17 with SMTP id a17mr1424457wfg.69.1288396818089; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f50.google.com (mail-pz0-f50.google.com [209.85.210.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y8si2808761wfj.1.2010.10.29.17.00.17; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.50; Received: by pzk35 with SMTP id 35so274623pzk.37 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:00:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.199.18 with SMTP id w18mr1973007wff.336.1288396816925; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.71.13 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:00:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:00:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lujvo coinage in a hypothetical Lojbanistan From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd32d8c9a43210493ca42e9 --000e0cd32d8c9a43210493ca42e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know how well the English analogy works, because English is not really built for new words to be regularly introduced. (I learned "nitpick" from use, true, but it's also a "standard" word; it already had many users when I was born, as did almost every other word in my lexicon.) I agree, though, that context helps, and I agree that it should be possible to defin= e new lujvo in pure Lojban. I guess this refines my question a little bit: * must* lujvo be definable in pure Lojban? Not necessarily only with the gism= u that are used to construct them, but in some other pure Lojban? mu'o mi'e latros. 2010/10/29 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ian Johnson > wrote: > > How would you > > introduce your new concept to other Lojbanists in Lojban if it is indee= d > a > > new concept to the language? > > In the same way you do it in English, by using the new word in an > appropriate context. > > > I know that, for example, I recently coined {fazycmadau}. When trying t= o > > explain to selckiku what I meant, I had to resort to saying that it > {simsa > > zo'oi nitpick} (the rest of the conversation was in Lojban). Suffice it > to > > say that he responded with {.ua}. > > You could have explained it in lojban, "darlu .ije lo nu darlu cu > fanza ki'u lo nu srana lo cmalu tcila" or whatever you had in mind. > > But how did you learn what "nitpick" means in English? You just heard > it used in the right contexts often enough. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --000e0cd32d8c9a43210493ca42e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know how well the English analogy works, because English is not= really built for new words to be regularly introduced. (I learned "ni= tpick" from use, true, but it's also a "standard" word; = it already had many users when I was born, as did almost every other word i= n my lexicon.) I agree, though, that context helps, and I agree that it sho= uld be possible to define new lujvo in pure Lojban. I guess this refines my= question a little bit: must=A0lujvo be definable in pure Lojban? No= t necessarily only with the gismu that are used to construct them, but in s= ome other pure Lojban?

mu'o mi'e latros.

2010/10/29 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote: > How would you
> introduce your new concept to other Lojbanists in Lojban if it is inde= ed a
> new concept to the language?

In the same way you do it in English, by using the new word in an
appropriate context.

> I know that, for example, I recently coined {fazycmadau}. When trying = to
> explain to selckiku what I meant, I had to resort to saying that it {s= imsa
> zo'oi nitpick} (the rest of the conversation was in Lojban). Suffi= ce it to
> say that he responded with {.ua}.

You could have explained it in lojban, "darlu .ije lo nu darlu c= u
fanza ki'u lo nu srana lo cmalu tcila" or whatever you had in mind= .

But how did you learn what "nitpick" means in English? You just h= eard
it used in the right contexts often enough.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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