From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxC50a3mBBoE49EQJQ@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 29 17:37:27 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBzRk-0003N2-Dl; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:37:27 -0700 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf319725pwi.16 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:37:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=RYFqKRsDWbw4/Y/rallqlUNH2JJbqCKKCl5FoTmfnZM=; b=Lgooxqi9+uGZ5fPqe1JN54WVYE3tdO1F0Q1hhgFK5gmxr1jrhmD0BxJx94pjOwHYO8 QspPdoX3ODqeKX1rKzAh6MLLE5fGytl65IjdO109L24/bd8CcVJ/bPTm7K4mTjZZPV3l Hj7MpsUh88lG3fbhi66uZu03fIOUXwe8cgOms= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=fPKsmQnp7iQYNbCeVqoiKQaTnehl+el6Jm1Y5eOS4GVahBw3sibNkmOaodzuBycZyc 5h1bwf5z/Le8Lg22MEPaGkQvoszLunNs2A32QPasm7AjOICPu2PdikKhJJQRwFYmGP9X ungWcmjRyrvTZKSR63MjU4P/VuKWK7Vu7Hws0= Received: by 10.142.208.5 with SMTP id f5mr115009wfg.39.1288399033597; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:37:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.249.41 with SMTP id w41ls2263305wfh.1.p; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.83.1 with SMTP id g1mr1437393wfb.35.1288399032597; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.83.1 with SMTP id g1mr1437392wfb.35.1288399032575; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n6si2875930wfl.3.2010.10.29.17.37.12; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=uESSSoDEku2quKX/oFXS2Smn5+55LTFcWFr5T5T8nFs= c=1 sm=0 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=1CRT61uFANMm7GxdMi0A:9 a=o21RnKUxf4a0FTCrQAIA:7 a=O36YSOMuuiuIAO_if5PqG4j1x4UA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:42304] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3B/89-07087-6B86BCC4; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:37:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A9F2D10 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:37:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] lujvo deconstruction Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:37:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201010291732.15634.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201010292037.09104.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 29 October 2010 17:37:26 Luke Bergen wrote: > Wait, what are syllabic consonants? Syllabic consonants are consonants that can be nuclei of syllables. They do= n't=20 have to be. There are four in Lojban: "r", "n", "l", and "m". Examples:=20 din,kr,ni,te; cl,sn; ko,lm,ba. > So, if I'm trying to parse out a lujvo into its component rafsi, should I > not worry when I see "m" or "l"? There's no way that they could be > anything but part of a rafsi? If it is indeed a lujvo, yes. If it's a fu'ivla, the "l" could be the=20 hyphen-letter. > Further, what is this about hyphen-letters only being allowed after the > first rafsi? I can understand why the rafsi before an r/n-hyphen would > need to be CVV or CV'V, but why can't r/n-hyphen come after the second or > third rafsi? The r-hyphen is there to prevent the part before it from falling off as a= =20 cmavo. The first and second rafsi together cannot fall off, since they have= =20 at least two consonants and a cmavo has at most one. Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. 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