From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDN2K3mBBoE0qzHgQ@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 29 17:52:45 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBzgY-0004WB-9H; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:52:45 -0700 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf2085577wyb.16 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:52:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OXdX8KaNDMTfY9Tx2lNHLMm4McmcWp9JzNS97CKYKPA=; b=WmAA41zAMOITDbycfHB8kO6Zq17WImu74EEbZEVhcwpSTl2d41QX3gU/2vBamVF0XN ynNjtvN7zQrAXTToCf4uaEQ2F0wuCFsxLtzTDcZLGduLsM9PoqsR6Af8ck30UG5vxUWs vHgGJ8tjnHq6Ay2D3dNMjP55VO1ngo9S+keBc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TJnu1Op/05OvXN7MnNZN84o28aLA1aGQ0BM0VKTBFPvEv86FKNlfY7ezyAB5tIAWr6 5AVmJwBaUhdfc7ZweBPKPDirgmC6G05WVjG+DpMMXz2AAs/oyc6dtwmQ8tjtqzYML0nE xCPfUunbM4OPEvaVfVQBE+b8Tim0C09xiRlSM= Received: by 10.216.237.73 with SMTP id x51mr1943571weq.19.1288399949863; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:52:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.168.134 with SMTP id u6ls1240836wby.1.p; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.69.195 with SMTP id a3mr623464wbj.27.1288399948742; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.69.195 with SMTP id a3mr623463wbj.27.1288399948722; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f174.google.com (mail-wy0-f174.google.com [74.125.82.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a52si931700wer.0.2010.10.29.17.52.27; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.174; Received: by mail-wy0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 28so3789268wyf.5 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:52:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.151.69 with SMTP id b5mr5442440wbw.168.1288399947397; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.32.140 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:52:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201010292037.09104.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201010291732.15634.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201010292037.09104.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:52:27 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] lujvo deconstruction From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 29 October 2010 17:37:26 Luke Bergen wrote: > >> Further, what is this about hyphen-letters only being allowed after the >> first rafsi? =A0I can understand why the rafsi before an r/n-hyphen woul= d >> need to be CVV or CV'V, but why can't r/n-hyphen come after the second o= r >> third rafsi? > > The r-hyphen is there to prevent the part before it from falling off as a > cmavo. The first and second rafsi together cannot fall off, since they ha= ve > at least two consonants and a cmavo has at most one. Just to add a little bit of confusion here (this is not lojban-beginners, so I'm allowed): In the lujvo making algorithm the CLL indeed does say "It is illegal to add a hyphen at a place that is not required by this algorithm." However, the PEG grammar disagrees with that dictum. According to the PEG grammar it is always legal to add an r/n-hyphen after any CVV or CV'V rafsi, even when not really required. It is of course only required when the rafsi is the first rafsi in a lujvo other than CVVCCV or CV'VCCV. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.