From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxD0-rHmBBoEBd_JXA@googlegroups.com Sat Oct 30 13:18:10 2010 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCHsM-0003iM-0s; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:18:10 -0700 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf117146pxi.16 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:18:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=qWo3TJ/ej6aEf8/fYwRQiNG27aLaag7zxpmKv8De99o=; b=L6Ly29G8VdRH/PfG19oQk3zvlA/IVDnU5+LnnpsBkoZysQ1aYzw4+942ihxieXlka1 ryPQu2FSAmItTK091a5t/Afg9oQDTrmsez2lheCTVPYqj1W4ycAhTOSkZIJRc0Pqc+RO WRL/D8+8vngrLzk6gxuXkEOt9L6SM4T0xIYDg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=QpLl9GR77hAJOfFQa5HBoPKpmHKMn+Rg1q7WmNPL5IWKRDxp6N9qjUqOjKaLzz/cPB mxsRcT5jLjSP2A3SkRK6Rj/EkXWjw4UbFGNgH3FCEz3tVkxdewFYM0uvJbr0byJShKPe 6d1JmeTAgSzCaZS87+KzJsWZ6PVWZvdYp0KkQ= Received: by 10.142.56.11 with SMTP id e11mr135074wfa.23.1288469876157; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:17:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.78.15 with SMTP id a15ls3452446wfb.2.p; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.204.13 with SMTP id b13mr2136380wfg.67.1288469875297; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.204.13 with SMTP id b13mr2136379wfg.67.1288469875267; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n6si5149911wfl.3.2010.10.30.13.17.54; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=aByDgpViBNwA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=ID2ibys-UHwl6TQRuwAA:9 a=VZfaKe5f-2Xu-gZ2QZWuMP7NpFEA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:58548] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D3/6D-13137-27D7CCC4; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:17:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CE4713F for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:17:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: mi kakne lo bajra Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:17:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201010301617.52176.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 30 October 2010 10:27:45 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > "Raising" is a term from linguistics that, like so many other terms > from linguistics, is often misapplied in Lojban. If you really want to > know what "raising" is, this is a good place to start: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_(linguistics) What are the others, and how should Lojban be discussed in proper linguisti= c=20 terms? I'm aware of "modal", which in the Book denotes a preposition derive= d=20 from a selbri (i.e., a proper preposition; "do'e", which is not derived fro= m=20 a brivla, means "fi'o co'e", so it still qualifies), and in linguistics=20 denotes words like "ka'e". Pierre --=20 Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.