From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCvjbLmBBoE1fIAag@googlegroups.com Sat Oct 30 13:57:36 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCIUT-0006LA-KM; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:57:36 -0700 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf2462680wyb.16 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:57:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CQuqJQJS5nUPFzAUv27aB4MRbliS4S+Y7TGMJ5AX+68=; b=Swj/+trULOcHvMnAXstb/7zkTfK8pW5P3ur0CAXREz2b8A19TVFkvj2xB/q4kSjQ0I XpdbnJbGCHqsqR1LHTGpO1yyIa0tMVstM9E1Ygz7LHIHWCI133kDivISoI73uFwcNBBU bKgo43z9W13YhyxRL/kCv3ixg0iv/1YP2pBwg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Dbm4fKhEdMN9n3t19T0oP0+rZAmKSerapy1cx7FZhySNeQjD2ASkzF6OlgTW1C0ljI pdWYLSCgHTmbbkED4DLYxTeVtSQQm/cArqIkKgCmigj5qN8aWyngDmvjFaycC9LyB48c iZizYemyu4hugfcxesxDcJbVt5yHyiWz1yMaE= Received: by 10.216.237.132 with SMTP id y4mr2003099weq.16.1288472239286; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:57:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.58.143 with SMTP id q15ls1822328wec.1.p; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.19.143 with SMTP id n15mr54655wen.6.1288472238260; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.19.143 with SMTP id n15mr54654wen.6.1288472238204; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f51.google.com (mail-ww0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a52si1264356wer.0.2010.10.30.13.57.17; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.51; Received: by wwi17 with SMTP id 17so2216889wwi.8 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:57:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.133.140 with SMTP id f12mr1141273wbt.139.1288472236841; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.32.140 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:57:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201010301617.52176.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201010301617.52176.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:57:16 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: mi kakne lo bajra From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 30 October 2010 10:27:45 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> "Raising" is a term from linguistics that, like so many other terms >> from linguistics, is often misapplied in Lojban. If you really want to >> know what "raising" is, this is a good place to start: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_(linguistics) > > What are the others, and how should Lojban be discussed in proper linguis= tic > terms? Good question. I don't know, I'm not a linguist, but I have learned not to take any traditional Lojban terminology for granted. One that came up recently is "Zipf's law". > I'm aware of "modal", which in the Book denotes a preposition derived > from a selbri (i.e., a proper preposition; "do'e", which is not derived f= rom > a brivla, means "fi'o co'e", so it still qualifies), and in linguistics > denotes words like "ka'e". Yes, that's another case. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.