From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCuobPmBBoECvTOjQ@googlegroups.com Sat Oct 30 19:13:16 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCNQ0-0000zO-TO; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:13:16 -0700 Received: by vws14 with SMTP id 14sf4103320vws.16 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:13:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SHVn/q/sKzo8ST9FR7cVo7wdzQwNv4qN4dtrG/HJWGU=; b=O06fxbuFuOD22rFr+55ETWJGyY0pQKrZy3uMzpchp1cia5bPmKQHm//tn62qqNBDeW LQi+W0JhoM35jmk/LUh3+wzEhoqv+QaOMNxfFTU6OIa6fe8Um5DbXt+PZX9hu9s1fmnQ 01LTDYMXYedrpcL0+ffETGLgKsUZmjlPDUeYU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jetvEZQKPbosz+KdB2d5hpKtX4rJe8sD2+D6M+CPE8z3G9bQ5xSbElBkvknKS0D4Ic BQPbMD135ww3tCzZyH1RtjLs9U5mMip2b1aqUiAQjCXJk/aIEr0sdNEDBfx35p8Nfb4q r31qEiVktfTccxC1wN+VppZ8GgN5mVF/sI/14= Received: by 10.220.200.134 with SMTP id ew6mr565487vcb.21.1288491182907; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:13:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.52.1 with SMTP id f1ls602025vcg.0.p; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.202.72 with SMTP id fd8mr838382vcb.21.1288491181276; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.202.72 with SMTP id fd8mr838380vcb.21.1288491181264; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f43.google.com (mail-vw0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y15si567124vch.5.2010.10.30.19.13.00; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.43; Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1so2007680vws.30 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:13:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.29.3 with SMTP id o3mr759195qac.333.1288491180099; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.219.14 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:13:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010291737.49946.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 22:13:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: "to pretend" or "to fake" From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why not "ko'a jai tcica mi lo nu krici lo du'u ko'a toju'i ce'u"? What is pretending in that sense other than tricking someone into believing? And so, from there it seems like "kritcica" would be the operative lujvo x1 kritcica x2 x3 (tu'a x1)=3Dt1 pretends to k1=3Dt2 that k2 is true? --gejyspa 2010/10/29 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >> I think "tigni" is better than "jarco". I suggest "jiftigni" or "tictign= i". > > I think "tigni" by itself could work too sometimes: > > =A0ko'a tigni lo nu ri tolju'i mi > =A0He performed his ignoring me. > > Putting on a performance is putting on an act, since he is performing > the ignoring for the benefit of an audience. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.