From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRDvyrXmBBoEBxAubg@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 05:48:00 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCXKE-00041g-MO; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 05:47:59 -0700 Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42sf7843904yxe.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 05:47:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=XfxLF5IZ89g4PpTcOmvdDoQQfn3fn/yuLahc17uYd/s=; b=g64uGHDjHvgGS+P8Ju79fHcQrreO4raLCCtZsGw+UWlH/VO7zylLYbnHHGzXvCDwyh 1XiYiQfelF/3erDp7JdttwX9OKaU0s6XBwZR5NF4zqoHBAnK7hpXFB6LmGPFZVpYz8eP 0SSfmCMh2bd6Binab2nJ8KGIp4HvWEamQ9Eyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=pobw8F3IyGjpMYPoe3apE8NnQijZuS2y03IyJBlu90gmM6GWV7idRuX+sVLMNxqN5N 76eIN7uWbmqTaB0yOKke/A2lRRzM5uQSRAcWHaDV0PZr5PcvL5bsjA4FlRnCw4hnV1h1 hUyrqbthKTrh7wiesZ2HVTxA0CK8CCyJKYBlA= Received: by 10.90.95.14 with SMTP id s14mr506018agb.5.1288529263793; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 05:47:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.102.16 with SMTP id z16ls885129agb.4.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 05:47:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.160.10 with SMTP id i10mr515640age.52.1288529263112; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 05:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 05:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 05:47:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 166.134.50.188 References: <995110.82874.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.12,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You're just being arbitrary at this point. I've explained quite thoroughly my side of the argument, and you seem to be ignoring my statements instead of addressing them. For the record, I have explained that the reason it's wrong is because the meaning cannot change based on context. When {djica} means "wants" in some contexts and "wants to have" in others, that is bad. This is why pilno/dunda is okay and djica/nitcu is not. We're not discussing universes of discourse, epistemology, unicorns, magical crabs, and whether we give an apple or give ownership of an apple. It comes down to the simple fact that a gismu cannot change meanings based on context, and you're implying that it can. Consistency is important. If {djica lo plise} means "Want to have an apple." then what does {djica lo nu bajra} mean? "Want to have a running."? You're bringing up a lot of pointless bullshit that really doesn't have anything to do with the actual problem here. You're constantly making comparisons to English and then justifying your malgli because it's valid in English. You are not listening, you are not following logic or standard practice, and I am getting extremely frustrated. So, I am going to, as politely as possible, bow out of this conversation. I'm done. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.