From lojban+bncCLi-v_X3FRCAybbmBBoEd9L3qQ@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 10:17:10 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCbWe-0005rg-Lq; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:17:10 -0700 Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20sf8166775gwj.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:16:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4vNRjulcBYn073mGbgkQ8AAydQ+usrA8dbmvi1PpJOw=; b=U2Bs831qGWvyZgG+MowIXShrjwPUUWLy9MN7ZESNPOvB5238s90n28os9glgTC9HRZ 1wGZEHEpH2Exne2H5G7Ae+V2bar2CGds7rLy0ttSZIKeMuwclMrnSsdXT4YuPbUAl0bj lmImyqP1ptah2OambTwTtR8QGrBkAhnsFsrxs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=XeeWQYw2V/LQGpr250M/V4NJwbepXZI/OAWmVKeAoKleFA1/aKrZCrsyIXfP3LAObl hwd7oQxIASrGLUjCBl3KfoJ7sB7MK+Iy9RCjvXknJhZN9Xm0ck6YZc9EjFs2DBLf/t3m gHKEHzzF5zrJXdCXgGClCUFW/twWnqYhR6wa0= Received: by 10.150.172.6 with SMTP id u6mr2122081ybe.77.1288545408292; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:16:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.24.19 with SMTP id b19ls1685137ybj.1.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.96.2 with SMTP id t2mr154969ybb.12.1288545407257; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.218.10 with SMTP id q10mr1366240wfg.64.1288389952596; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.218.10 with SMTP id q10mr1366239wfg.64.1288389952575; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f13si2578059wfo.4.2010.10.29.15.05.52; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.19 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o9TM5qXA028902 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:05:52 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.4/8.12.8/Submit) id o9TM5pBQ001894 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:05:51 GMT Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:05:51 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] lujvo deconstruction Message-ID: <20101029220550.GA17016@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20101029170344.GB47249@alice.local> <201010291732.15634.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: minimiscience@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.19 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) smtp.mail=jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wrote up my own low-level understanding of the {lujvo}-splitting algorith= m a while ago; it should conform perfectly to the CLL (with errata), i.e., it doesn't handle superfluous hyphens. You can read it at ; it shouldn't be too hard to convert into a program. de'i li 29 pi'e 10 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Luke Bergen .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra= . > Wait, what are syllabic consonants? .skamyxatra A lone consonant that is pronounced as a syllable (roughly, a consonant followed by a schwa [=C9=99]). In Lojban, 'l', 'm', 'n', and 'r' can all b= e pronounced syllabically or non-syllabically. > So, if I'm trying to parse out a lujvo into its component rafsi, should I > not worry when I see "m" or "l"? There's no way that they could be anyth= ing > but part of a rafsi? Correct. > Further, what is this about hyphen-letters only being allowed after the > first rafsi? I can understand why the rafsi before an r/n-hyphen would n= eed > to be CVV or CV'V, but why can't r/n-hyphen come after the second or thir= d > rafsi? Allowing them after non-initial {rafsi} would not cause any problems (excep= t for converting some {fu'ivla} forms into {lujvo}), but the CLL does not currently allow this (though some, e.g., xorxes, would like to change that)= . mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. --=20 ko senpi lo du'u do bilga lonu senpi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.