From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEOfPtuYEGgTDWvuy@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 10:31:39 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCbke-0002lk-Li; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:31:39 -0700 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf404164pwi.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:31:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:mime-version:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=4OLMi0GpUTlwq+40Asq+909sQLJB6AE0Ec7J7HYBnQw=; b=pAQR9to1uvoKp+n03ozZNRpcz6DkUGX6uhCkfmhpUHoILt4dR0+Vh7SPoMfDMwQfxM TKHFxT/E+0/vGOUN7TzAc8gXIqFLXjX8R3OMu9wt0ijVl0yTRWGMHSr2DcOO0UXc43Qi UcDABhLgJulKC1YKsEeB+Zf6v8qGbA3hRLQzY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=IK0LAch67YyG157IM9KKKTxuY9O3flBB5Us+ev5h36mkBCtmh41f4T8ZpEGDlz2HGl nA+rrEJJmVDYC8tDlXNBOfkRPR6NZ1KvHYTUwASKgwlzgWlBGq7WVkg8WR+yJcEXUUJ/ V4YyQgSjHSCzgl39hFVvJEXvjzpBJOeFdTR4k= Received: by 10.142.150.13 with SMTP id x13mr157806wfd.6.1288546279357; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:31:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.78.15 with SMTP id a15ls4581057wfb.2.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.162.15 with SMTP id k15mr2795642wfe.62.1288546278583; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.162.15 with SMTP id k15mr2795640wfe.62.1288546278554; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p40si7521067wfc.2.2010.10.31.10.31.18; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCbkT-0002lb-KJ for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:31:17 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCbkT-0002lU-C3 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:31:17 -0700 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:31:17 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] cu-alike for other situations Message-ID: <20101031173116.GX1105@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Something that I and some others have talked about on IRC a few times is "Wow, cu is pretty useful when deeply nested; wouldn't it be nice to have something like that that could work in other places besides before the selbri?". This turns out to be surprisingly tricky; many ideas have been shown to be unworkable. I think I might finally have something: mark FA as needing terminator closure before it. Example: mi denpa le nu do xruti fi le nu zutse vs. mi denpa le nu do xruti cu fi le nu zutse "cu fi" means "close terminators, at least one, until a fi is allowed". More than one cu would be allowed there, with the obvious effect. Please note that I am NOT attached to "cu" here; a postfix new cmavo (i.e. "fi xu'u"), or whatever, would be fine. (IIRC postfix is easier in terms of grammatical simplicity, but it's been a while). -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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