From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCf5LbmBBoEGGkyVA@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 11:15:13 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCcQq-00047N-Qz; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:15:13 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf8232862gyd.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:14:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=B0s7VUJCiI5LCe01QxliXghdUUSD7+6AnkXycWi/IAM=; b=ABrRGN5sxtGtrY4Cgh1Z4Zr/kO/JM815wWbzbNrmo4DHPDDzYLXFJh3ghVJ0uXLS5q 72d3LawAT6vwyT5CfUEUiFFK1WXTepLeP0rkyE4tAlJoNA33ECTPwKlEVn3Pfh2fErwy X/sekeEBE0VtGoMcl0r0CjUbM44CjdqxcbgjQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=zCOeu6xlJ0QPa7Mo/i2Krs0Nvtw7XRvXlvwx20g1o5IcwI4Ssz9yxg2vmjq8kiJOu1 X9lj6GqxPoNJLIUAjgPqYZ+PtkHN6aJIXlzzBN1/sGrcaGTmn5QtduAOe0VKmFgd3d2u aPN77DVp0ECkPa4g/KSDBjstA4slfCcKdpPjE= Received: by 10.151.62.39 with SMTP id p39mr2164960ybk.49.1288548895309; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:14:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.112.41 with SMTP id u41ls3903228ibp.1.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.158.134 with SMTP id f6mr4055397ibx.10.1288548884470; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.158.134 with SMTP id f6mr4055396ibx.10.1288548884398; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com (mail-iw0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si5015028ibq.5.2010.10.31.11.14.43; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.169; Received: by mail-iw0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 38so5320374iwn.28 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:14:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.138 with SMTP id p10mr12912761ibd.33.1288548883072; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.149.14 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.149.14 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:14:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101031173116.GX1105@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20101031173116.GX1105@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:14:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cu-alike for other situations From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org, lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d6e597386430493edaa6b --0022152d6e597386430493edaa6b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So in this system "cu" becomes a generic shortcut for ? ... sounds cool if I'm understanding it correctly (probably not) On Oct 31, 2010 1:31 PM, "Robin Lee Powell" wrote: > Something that I and some others have talked about on IRC a few > times is "Wow, cu is pretty useful when deeply nested; wouldn't it > be nice to have something like that that could work in other places > besides before the selbri?". > > This turns out to be surprisingly tricky; many ideas have been shown > to be unworkable. > > I think I might finally have something: mark FA as needing > terminator closure before it. Example: > > mi denpa le nu do xruti fi le nu zutse > > vs. > > mi denpa le nu do xruti cu fi le nu zutse > > "cu fi" means "close terminators, at least one, until a fi is > allowed". More than one cu would be allowed there, with the obvious > effect. > > Please note that I am NOT attached to "cu" here; a postfix new cmavo > (i.e. "fi xu'u"), or whatever, would be fine. (IIRC postfix is > easier in terms of grammatical simplicity, but it's been a while). > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". 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So in this system "cu" becomes a generic shortcut for <inse= rt all terminators that are applicable except for vau>?

... sounds cool if I'm understanding it correctly (probably not)

On Oct 31, 2010 1:31 PM, "Robin Lee Powell&= quot; <rlpowell@digitalki= ngdom.org> wrote:
> Something that I and = some others have talked about on IRC a few
> times is "Wow, cu is pretty useful when deeply nested; wouldn'= ;t it
> be nice to have something like that that could work in other = places
> besides before the selbri?".
>
> This turn= s out to be surprisingly tricky; many ideas have been shown
> to be unworkable.
>
> I think I might finally have someth= ing: mark FA as needing
> terminator closure before it. Example:
= >
> mi denpa le nu do xruti fi le nu zutse
>
> vs. >
> mi denpa le nu do xruti cu fi le nu zutse
>
> &q= uot;cu fi" means "close terminators, at least one, until a fi is<= br>> allowed". More than one cu would be allowed there, with the o= bvious
> effect.
>
> Please note that I am NOT attached to "c= u" here; a postfix new cmavo
> (i.e. "fi xu'u"), o= r whatever, would be fine. (IIRC postfix is
> easier in terms of gra= mmatical simplicity, but it's been a while).
>
> -Robin
>
> --
> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic fut= ure.
> Lojban (http://www.lojban.o= rg/): The language in which "this parrot
> is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this s= entence is false"
> is "na nei". My personal page: <= a href=3D"http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/">http://www.digitalkingdom.org= /rlp/
>
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