From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEOnmtuYEGgQfXap6@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 11:20:41 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCcWC-00062R-TL; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:20:41 -0700 Received: by pvh1 with SMTP id 1sf165816pvh.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:20:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=D7YjII4pN3puwxShTk1fNVc6Rp0Pca+fAVM/aXeX+7I=; b=Cd2P+5ma2FknzDfo4f6U/uUF6yS6IR7zCS6rhsZv3jOCLzcEy38q6otZqOhxo/WpLv 6/p10fIYuMJW+A/BbmJabbwlnznTZ0QMFBeQIZ+lMt0UCREOUkidiCcTXhZfsX3YwO7g zR6YeKFjYxRh2TF5IcnLs1NvQvBg1m+sZzGSQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=Sq0Dx56L/ZflsXmQcVs3/4zoQtJQpotUW4a8uhMOkkZXL5KH1y4Pi3AYwrz2mtrES3 jKEcGoBk1YaPeATiLr0kxpRbSB1hVanBnTrZlhQEHd12YaDtqzC+zLsF9W4Z48AFUD2g 5r+8EgixfnOSVtbYZ16y4JAOOgxLg3Klea8aE= Received: by 10.142.208.5 with SMTP id f5mr157745wfg.4.1288549225563; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:20:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.78.15 with SMTP id a15ls4639091wfb.2.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.224.3 with SMTP id w3mr2787639wfg.46.1288549224541; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.224.3 with SMTP id w3mr2787638wfg.46.1288549224511; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f13si7616141wfo.4.2010.10.31.11.20.24; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCcVz-00062F-SO for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:20:23 -0700 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:20:23 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] cu-alike for other situations Message-ID: <20101031182023.GA1105@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20101031173116.GX1105@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Oh, it might be a {vau} too. It certainly is in the cases below; it's substituting for {kei vau ku}. I wasn't proposing that it be general; that's been the problem in the past. Trying to make a "pop back a sentence" general cmavo runs into a lot of problems. I was just thinking about adding {cu FA} to {cu SELBRI}. -Robin On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 02:14:43PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > So in this system "cu" becomes a generic shortcut for terminators that are applicable except for vau>? > > ... sounds cool if I'm understanding it correctly (probably not) > > On Oct 31, 2010 1:31 PM, "Robin Lee Powell" > wrote: > > Something that I and some others have talked about on IRC a few > > times is "Wow, cu is pretty useful when deeply nested; wouldn't it > > be nice to have something like that that could work in other places > > besides before the selbri?". > > > > This turns out to be surprisingly tricky; many ideas have been shown > > to be unworkable. > > > > I think I might finally have something: mark FA as needing > > terminator closure before it. Example: > > > > mi denpa le nu do xruti fi le nu zutse > > > > vs. > > > > mi denpa le nu do xruti cu fi le nu zutse > > > > "cu fi" means "close terminators, at least one, until a fi is > > allowed". More than one cu would be allowed there, with the obvious > > effect. > > > > Please note that I am NOT attached to "cu" here; a postfix new cmavo > > (i.e. "fi xu'u"), or whatever, would be fine. (IIRC postfix is > > easier in terms of grammatical simplicity, but it's been a while). > > > > -Robin > > > > -- > > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > > is "na nei". 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