From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBC1kbfmBBoEzzaWdA@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 12:51:31 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCdw7-0005QD-Lm; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:51:31 -0700 Received: by ywj3 with SMTP id 3sf2404507ywj.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:51:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7B3bzvdgPpZPwbXnBoZ3VBugNjciIFDugIV09xdbBEw=; b=fO1/G0m+gNJWQx03AcHW0sAF7TfneKU4Fl+CaeEaivZ85TzrlHdu+ASnfgXVv1m3at 1smnX5dCZn+eofNN5Hrs6TvEfiKsZHbNtnXGk5zXHQPXPKez47ExmyMj5iOg/59IgtSX 4GN1ElLWjkc36kzr3Lgn0wr7pT39WuvJKrBCE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=RgKlD5/IQ47iGi2xl57WyIo28rwk/WHicyLcQTL6mgnVKBdf+Yqu9DoyhYPuvlTmuQ gwGAXyAKYy+cYtR2KS9+cXEsOsDtQt2llWVR/FNpbvF7YxUvxJTE/92j2ZVUrjPHBTqR WBjBgreWYMvS5XPkOyqWvhKHUf0GfwQHa4+IM= Received: by 10.91.189.20 with SMTP id r20mr532115agp.50.1288554677449; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:51:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.180.73 with SMTP id bt9ls2283084ibb.0.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.160.79 with SMTP id m15mr4154518ibx.6.1288554676358; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.160.79 with SMTP id m15mr4154517ibx.6.1288554676286; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f171.google.com (mail-iw0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si5078496ibb.0.2010.10.31.12.51.15; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.171; Received: by iwn35 with SMTP id 35so2406318iwn.30 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:51:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.175.9 with SMTP id ay9mr46531icb.129.1288554673693; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.149.14 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:51:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101031193703.GB1105@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20101031173116.GX1105@digitalkingdom.org> <20101031182023.GA1105@digitalkingdom.org> <20101031193703.GB1105@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:51:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cu-alike for other situations From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8fa69962300493ef03d4 --90e6ba6e8fa69962300493ef03d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wait, my understanding of {cu} was that it breaks out to the "main bridi". Maybe I've been misunderstanding it up to this point. If I say: lo nu do poi se cinri lo nu bajra cu cumki Would this be ungrammatical because the first abstraction we come to is missing a selbri? Or because the outermost bridi is missing a selbri? On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 03:34:50PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > > Ok, so the general rule when reading a piece of text and > > encountering a {cu} is "ok, whatever comes next, it's applied to > > the main selbri (either it is the main selbri, or it's going in > > the FV slot)". Does that sound right? > > No. Next outer bridi, not "main" bridi, whatever that might mean. > Same as {cu} works now: > > mi djica le nu le klama cu xunre > > > Can {CU} be followed by BAI? How about tags in general? It seems > > inconsistent to say that {cu fi} is good but {cu ca} is not. FA > > and PU behave the same in nearly all other respects. Why should > > they be different here? > > Good point. > > > For the record, I think it's a great idea. It seems a shame that > > with as useful as {cu} is, it's only allowed to be used to "pop > > out" to the main selbri. > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --90e6ba6e8fa69962300493ef03d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wait, my understanding of {cu} was that it breaks out to the "main bri= di". =A0Maybe I've been misunderstanding it up to this point.
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If I say:

lo nu do poi se cinri lo = nu bajra cu cumki

Would this be ungrammatical because the first abstracti= on we come to is missing a selbri? =A0Or because the outermost bridi is mis= sing a selbri?

On Sun, Oct 31, 201= 0 at 3:37 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:<= br>
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 0= 3:34:50PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote:
> Ok, so the general rule when reading a piece of text and
> encountering a {cu} is "ok, whatever comes next, it's applied= to
> the main selbri (either it is the main selbri, or it's going in > the FV slot)". =A0Does that sound right?

No. =A0Next outer bridi, not "main" bridi, whatever that mi= ght mean.
Same as {cu} works now:

mi djica le nu le klama cu xunre

> Can {CU} be followed by BAI? =A0How about tags in general? =A0It seems=
> inconsistent to say that {cu fi} is good but {cu ca} is not. =A0FA
> and PU behave the same in nearly all other respects. =A0Why should
> they be different here?

Good point.

> For the record, I think it's a great idea. =A0It seems a shame tha= t
> with as useful as {cu} is, it's only allowed to be used to "p= op
> out" to the main selbri.

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Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
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