From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEN2St-YEGgQhZ2tV@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 12:54:24 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCdyq-0005cW-19; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:54:23 -0700 Received: by pzk6 with SMTP id 6sf167030pzk.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:54:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=PpyUbEd/TEpkQ6AZjAUQlj/9o18T7MH869WiX3Kf5ZA=; b=zTXQtAF3fTRXDKz3dF685eNivqBaW7u+3bwlrMY37kPmS+fZVAp5X0zT8ap4gXLT2Z gl8RH49Cc35DWEgsHYFvB5hdgCv8LxMtZBr797gfxlbUrKlR5YqVY2zZpvULNddlbzqF jCbAn4M1tC2if8NrCXuEOcv7CVvx2QIQREwAs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=k5dUlVxkfIy25U9tIhkIYx5wtHasDMjnBmYuCmUWmvgpWtaOCKwT/Y9PcyA37qwYAk 8wsKZ9ae73LzFTmbKNTh6XONrgRcLvUV1lD/EA2rqjS8F2m3caZdEcmdRGllbeuDeEIB /gg9hKBeHjFgXtfqqEBCyFQxxSC6KhMWPLeBE= Received: by 10.142.65.4 with SMTP id n4mr163477wfa.19.1288554845606; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:54:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls4748804wff.3.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.251.10 with SMTP id y10mr2858549wfh.23.1288554844363; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.251.10 with SMTP id y10mr2858548wfh.23.1288554844340; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y8si7797640wfj.5.2010.10.31.12.54.04; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCdyd-0005c7-Ml for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:54:03 -0700 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:54:03 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] cu-alike for other situations Message-ID: <20101031195403.GC1105@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20101031173116.GX1105@digitalkingdom.org> <20101031182023.GA1105@digitalkingdom.org> <20101031193703.GB1105@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 03:51:13PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > Wait, my understanding of {cu} was that it breaks out to the "main > bridi". Maybe I've been misunderstanding it up to this point. > > If I say: > > lo nu do poi se cinri lo nu bajra cu cumki > > Would this be ungrammatical because the first abstraction we come > to is missing a selbri? Or because the outermost bridi is missing > a selbri? It's perfectly grammatical, it's just not a sentence; it's a single sumti describing an event, with "cumki" as the selbri for the event: text sumti6 |- CMAVO | LE: lo |- tanruUnit2 |- CMAVO | NU: nu |- sentence |- sumti5 | |- CMAVO | | KOhA: do | |- relativeClause1 | |- CMAVO | | NOI: poi | |- bridiTail3 | |- tanruUnit2 | | |- CMAVO | | | SE: se | | |- BRIVLA | | gismu: cinri | |- sumti6 | |- CMAVO | | LE: lo | |- tanruUnit2 | |- CMAVO | | NU: nu | |- BRIVLA | gismu: bajra |- CMAVO | CU: cu |- BRIVLA gismu: cumki Compare "lo nu do poi se cinri lo nu bajra cu cumki cu xunre": text sentence |- sumti6 | |- CMAVO | | LE: lo | |- tanruUnit2 | |- CMAVO | | NU: nu | |- sentence | |- sumti5 | | |- CMAVO | | | KOhA: do | | |- relativeClause1 | | |- CMAVO | | | NOI: poi | | |- bridiTail3 | | |- tanruUnit2 | | | |- CMAVO | | | | SE: se | | | |- BRIVLA | | | gismu: cinri | | |- sumti6 | | |- CMAVO | | | LE: lo | | |- tanruUnit2 | | |- CMAVO | | | NU: nu | | |- BRIVLA | | gismu: bajra | |- CMAVO | | CU: cu | |- BRIVLA | gismu: cumki |- CMAVO | CU: cu |- BRIVLA gismu: xunre -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.