From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCkm7fmBBoESlB4Sg@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 13:12:34 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCeGU-0006zP-WD; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:12:34 -0700 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf2933473wyb.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:12:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1l07w7kZe8Hw4muus4JJ8Amm1DR7rmVFb2bh+ymkd9k=; b=T6FKI01mKXJMgup6Mvg+qHvdlGLjgWSy09KxXcmozRHJD9wnpZrOtdl5sF8LxxtPlM C77jezirsDC7R15S0HTUoDvHugZmJXowjVPiY49B+zdzRR1zxRZ5wtDKzJF5/kZ0qrvI Jf4Ampcr5hVjl7VcVhW1jFesAELfPq0u0TTT0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VRrdm3XcBwY66ZPMHkuBboSp/FKAPwhzTa6Xz4U3pVzx4i03+u8EZ8tp1PXrp6zmGM mtMzujAa13pN6J7SzKdftV8xOHl6UNOvLbdNtM9JKbDfCV3PP7DlPzuqt7+CY/rk9G45 xVVJDPdtEaesbc8Y4bse4VAuc5+Tp7qSrJv8w= Received: by 10.216.237.212 with SMTP id y62mr2092361weq.2.1288555940218; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:12:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.242.202 with SMTP id i52ls2124095wer.0.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.180.11 with SMTP id i11mr768124wem.9.1288555938987; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.180.11 with SMTP id i11mr768123wem.9.1288555938957; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o31si1591470wej.10.2010.10.31.13.12.17; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.46; Received: by mail-ww0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 20so5390432wwd.15 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:12:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.151.69 with SMTP id b5mr7219331wbw.168.1288555937568; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.32.140 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:12:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010291737.49946.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:12:17 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: "to pretend" or "to fake" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > =A0 A person, but since there is really no way in lojban to grab a > concrete from an abstraction (except perhaps the vague la'e), I had to > phrase it as the tu'a of x1 (the first argument of the kritcica) is > the t1. So you don't allow a person as the x1 of tcica, but you require a person as the x1 of kritcica? I would expect a kritcica to be some sort of tcica. >=A0Always wished there was an inverse of tu'a. "lo jai me"? >=A0Feel free to > rewrite in a clearer way. =A0(I've also always wanted an inverse of > nu/ka, i.e. a way to grab a bridi back from an abstraction, so we can > say things like "I like going to the movies in the afternoon, but > Mikey likes to in the morning" without jumping through hoops ((calling > my idea x'ua for a second) "mi nelci lo nu viska lo skina ca lo > lecydo'i .iku'i la maikis nelci lo nu xu'a lo se go'i ca lo cerni") > Sure, we could use the vague "co'e" but it's ...vague. But what if the "abstraction" was at the next level down: mi mutce lo ka nelci lo nu viska lo skina ca lo lecydo'i .i ku'i la maikis cu nelci lo nu ??? ca lo cerni The problem with back counting pro-things is that they don't work. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.