From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARCyuLfmBBoEpXyltw@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 14:14:46 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCfEZ-0002eA-AD; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:14:46 -0700 Received: by pvh1 with SMTP id 1sf171656pvh.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:14:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=j5+s2V26A/3CLx+2aTnV4Ozl3VuLKem4UV6XgSSeWzc=; b=QPqM3Py7e50LbQL2eRY1x/O2EvWE1PWXs3gDqFfGKW84XxyC+6OlK/10/31b/5j01F 93jpoxAhnBxMOq+v3HIMdI9lFzZ73dmfaG9kgsKw7PrKwYBN2GgSt6cgf1Gck4XuUjI/ sQU5Yq8qhTpjDQ+AYJ7dxBQvuqT88BHC81afU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=jTSFNq8jCeAX1Fdeg8kpvxEdFxpptvLWAIDfsqo01CLNSpZxh4mqONQv05xMY5R9Z/ DgBlqLLy91KKxYdWentaXuMEnYdr2YGYUGBv70hEFrDsFO8BWgM4gOCFcrvgh0QhP/DJ Z2T+fvjcqn7pi7GvzXSSKyJZCZQ2r4rTjixDk= Received: by 10.142.150.28 with SMTP id x28mr165220wfd.7.1288559666141; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:14:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.2.41 with SMTP id 41ls4837981wfb.0.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.225.21 with SMTP id x21mr2921086wfg.54.1288559665414; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.225.21 with SMTP id x21mr2921085wfg.54.1288559665377; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f49.google.com (mail-pz0-f49.google.com [209.85.210.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p40si7959675wfc.2.2010.10.31.14.14.24; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.49; Received: by pzk34 with SMTP id 34so502165pzk.36 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:14:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.199.18 with SMTP id w18mr3766314wff.336.1288559664261; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.71.13 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:14:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <995110.82874.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:14:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd32d8c0f6cb30493f02d88 --000e0cd32d8c0f6cb30493f02d88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Perhaps it is the static typer in me, but I would go so far as to say that it does not make sense for a place in a gismu to be able to be an abstraction or a concrete object. Objects filling a given predicate place have to fulfill certain basic, fundamental requirements to make semantic sense, and I think this is one of them. To me, even though I use "want" in this way in English, a {se djica} being a concrete object is like adding a function to a number. mu'o mi'e latros. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0cd32d8c0f6cb30493f02d88 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perhaps it is the static typer in me, but I would go so far as to say that = it does not make sense for a place in a gismu to be able to be an abstracti= on or a concrete object. Objects filling a given predicate place have to fu= lfill certain basic, fundamental requirements to make semantic sense, and I= think this is one of them. To me, even though I use "want" in th= is way in English, a {se djica} being a concrete object is like adding a fu= nction to a number.

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