From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARDBubfmBBoEDfeaXg@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 14:17:06 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCfGs-0002nU-On; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:17:05 -0700 Received: by pvh1 with SMTP id 1sf171752pvh.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:16:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5XIzakPU7/4tTgwJlRy+Ar6H2SZT6aTXMKoBecKJF+c=; b=LZIW75fqpNfkvzKCE7vD/S2glFqVaTNBaC4hzyzrqRVwEWEm/G3mP65cMAWShZH6tm gOdOl//Ey7rzbJg1Mcfq3CmzhheqAXDRZzbwdWponjIDnErGcxcYlWEc9AN6pf1oOu5V 6V/3bcC3ukJ8g6XQ/UB1n4AwDNcrnfbGievJo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=24JWZYZ+cN/5OYUbK+2ZMHLkN8N5p+gp9/Yeq9ukV3mPHQ53riqe6lj7fZNFo3RRFR 92LA50fMRv/Q6JdMbt4wKgc6qQX9zUKu0txIg2PE1eF/pbe4aNaaCDP1otcMAu4V+QFA Gf29NgngY6uzT2rMuRpjvg4pZCsI3Pxh30fpk= Received: by 10.142.250.33 with SMTP id x33mr157615wfh.37.1288559809382; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:16:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls4840855wff.3.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.251.10 with SMTP id y10mr2899372wfh.23.1288559808539; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.251.10 with SMTP id y10mr2899371wfh.23.1288559808505; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f178.google.com (mail-pv0-f178.google.com [74.125.83.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p40si7964438wfc.2.2010.10.31.14.16.47; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.178; Received: by pvc30 with SMTP id 30so454661pvc.9 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:16:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.57.9 with SMTP id f9mr3831473wfa.108.1288559807282; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.71.13 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:16:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <995110.82874.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:16:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e9078b95be150493f03523 --001636e9078b95be150493f03523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh, and for the {viska} example that is being discussed but that I didn't mention: I think we "see" (viska) things and "observe" (zgana or vi'azga if you want to be specific) events. I think these should be separate gismu, and that it shouldn't make sense to {viska lo nu broda}. mu'o mi'e latros. On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > Perhaps it is the static typer in me, but I would go so far as to say that > it does not make sense for a place in a gismu to be able to be an > abstraction or a concrete object. Objects filling a given predicate place > have to fulfill certain basic, fundamental requirements to make semantic > sense, and I think this is one of them. To me, even though I use "want" in > this way in English, a {se djica} being a concrete object is like adding a > function to a number. > > > mu'o mi'e latros. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001636e9078b95be150493f03523 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, and for the {viska} example that is being discussed but that I didn'= ;t mention: I think we "see" (viska) things and "observe&quo= t; (zgana or vi'azga if you want to be specific) events. I think these = should be separate gismu, and that it shouldn't make sense to {viska lo= nu broda}.

mu'o mi'e latros.

= On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wr= ote:
Perhaps it is the static typer in me, but I= would go so far as to say that it does not make sense for a place in a gis= mu to be able to be an abstraction or a concrete object. Objects filling a = given predicate place have to fulfill certain basic, fundamental requiremen= ts to make semantic sense, and I think this is one of them. To me, even tho= ugh I use "want" in this way in English, a {se djica} being a con= crete object is like adding a function to a number.


mu'o mi'e latros.

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