From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDa2rfmBBoEWCnnBA@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 15:27:53 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCgNQ-0001Jc-Sl; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:27:53 -0700 Received: by ywj3 with SMTP id 3sf2549383ywj.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:27:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SeD7PtNVbUCubD+ir7GNz90s1j5GCBcRUXPnE/pDQdY=; b=5VoI1DlJPaXtDLCtoRfQUE4IRqd/uTVrQWncgMLxr/GDqKPyADZXjJYH/MRNjshvkb A301vL6Cd6Y+LFjUPCGWoEvhJGmau+DFX1sCnXzELF6ocqO+ayJTSowqXAySBVhCpvy0 MoakKSmh5gIiDtndP18PN+8RwlzfdgsXG8jY0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=UaP2g5rvZiyiqoUwyu6V+ZxyvnhyWnU3YDKaWw+cSXY1Wv4Xq21xGEoULOQzzIHwem 9LV2fMzD+9XkqU09REl8F3qPSxOYVKRT0Do/++oiQAu2v0i5BtcH+cSydcdn2hU/d/AH h6xdCYZIpsdSEFWBnSsFc699zGuT8Pr9iMqHw= Received: by 10.90.115.18 with SMTP id n18mr552264agc.58.1288564058207; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:27:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.39.10 with SMTP id d10ls3974089ibe.3.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.140 with SMTP id t12mr4007982ibd.4.1288564056949; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.140 with SMTP id t12mr4007981ibd.4.1288564056907; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f173.google.com (mail-iw0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si5160786ibq.1.2010.10.31.15.27.35; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.173; Received: by mail-iw0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 36so6570127iwn.18 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:27:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.171.10 with SMTP id h10mr428057icz.44.1288564055324; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.208.16 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:27:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <839237.99689.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20101031173116.GX1105@digitalkingdom.org> <20101031195943.GR8367@nvg.org> <20101031200157.GD1105@digitalkingdom.org> <20101031211948.GF1105@digitalkingdom.org> <20101031213123.GG1105@digitalkingdom.org> <839237.99689.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:27:35 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cu-alike for other situations From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba5bc85dc9b7000493f132dc --90e6ba5bc85dc9b7000493f132dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 3:40 PM, John E Clifford wrot= e: > All this is a little outside my range, but Logjan has a history of right > hand > end problems, both in specifying them and in using those specs correctly. > Any > device that does this efficiently and surely would be universally welcome= d > (after the carping about details and destroying the purity of the languag= e > are > over, of course). > It seems to me that this kind of construct would make most if not elidable terminators basically unneccesary. I could be wrong on that, and I'm not stating a desire for that to happen. In any case, if there are cases where "vau FA" isn't enough, I think it would make most sense to alter the grammar of {vau} so that it /is/ enough, rather than creating another word. I don't personally think using {cu} in that respect is a good idea, but I do like the idea of having a word that does as Robin proposes. > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Robin Lee Powell > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 4:31:23 PM > Subject: Re: [lojban] cu-alike for other situations > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 06:27:58PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell > > wrote: > > > > > > I found the example as-is perfectly useful; to me it is much > > > easier to think "I want to do the x3 of the next outer bridi > > > now" and just *say that* then have to figure out what I need to > > > close to achieve that result. The way I proposed fits the way I > > > think about the language a lot better. > > > > How does the proposed "cu fi" differ from the current "vau fi" > > then? > > > > "vau" tells you to terminate the current bridi and move on. > > I seem to recall cases where vau wasn't sufficient to do what I > want, but nothing's coming to mind at the moment. The next time > that happens I'll try to take note. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". 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On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 3:40 PM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@y= ahoo.com> wrote:
All this is a little outside my = range, but Logjan has a history of right hand
end problems, both in spec= ifying them and in using those specs correctly. =A0Any
device that does this efficiently and surely would be universally welcomed<= br>(after the carping about details and destroying the purity of the langua= ge are
over, of course).
=A0
It seems to me that this kind of construct would make most if not elid= able terminators basically unneccesary. I could be wrong on that, and I'= ;m not stating a desire for that to happen.
=A0
In any case, if there are cases where "vau FA" isn't eno= ugh, I think it would make most sense to alter the grammar of {vau} so that= it /is/ enough, rather than creating another word. I don't personally = think using {cu} in that respect is a good idea, but I do like the idea of = having a word that does as Robin proposes.
=A0
----- Original Message ----
From: Robin Lee Powell <= ;rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org= >
To: lojban@googlegro= ups.com
Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 4:31:23 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] cu-alike fo= r other situations

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 06:27:58PM -0300, Jorge L= lamb=EDas wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell<= br> > <rlpowell@digitalkin= gdom.org> wrote:
> >
> > I found the example as-is= perfectly useful; to me it is much
> > easier to think "I wa= nt to do the x3 of the next outer bridi
> > now" and just *say that* then have to figure out what I need= to
> > close to achieve that result. =A0The way I proposed fits t= he way I
> > think about the language a lot better.
>
>= ; How does the proposed "cu fi" differ from the current "vau= fi"
> then?
>
> "vau" tells you to terminate the curre= nt bridi and move on.

I seem to recall cases where vau wasn't su= fficient to do what I
want, but nothing's coming to mind at the mome= nt. =A0The next time
that happens I'll try to take note.

-Robin

--
http://singinst.org/ : =A0O= ur last, best hope for a fantastic future.
Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language i= n which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digita= lkingdom.org/rlp/

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