From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRCElLjmBBoE3kheyw@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 17:30:14 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCiHn-0007O7-UL; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:30:14 -0700 Received: by ywj3 with SMTP id 3sf2709449ywj.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:30:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HmOvmRwCXFIREsnjhqFoKM5tNu+cQIXhV/GCV7G7NyI=; b=EL98FET+3dmTh+5mzTdJ00xZlhILz7tK7Enn+sH086yyThxrbQkvUaFqLOQdxPF+XV mh4dC8MCT2cYX/ACCDs9WxXElV2mTcxVtUZM4Uy4lFureZRjf1FmX51oB75QLAtV3oFW eZzPRZ/oXHpVuLDlTsMmZ0uZCoJL84GGSh1X8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=kNogc2Xee2zWlZus8MpzJxc4XYYFoiF9TfsYyPSQUnQNxejofurOMmYVx1MYK4lItQ bwaIo9GZ8KLuRDlt3Fj7CCq7JNsXHZwtUfQ3nisn7sTAgtXg7B9m+qQmEVfbNZ4GqcUa LV49EfhFtOyZaevrU0AweKs2GftjSTdGuk8rE= Received: by 10.151.17.2 with SMTP id u2mr2197699ybi.52.1288571396062; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:29:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.249.20 with SMTP id w20ls2960992ybh.6.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:29:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.63.12 with SMTP id q12mr2173242ybk.1.1288571395590; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by a37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:29:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 32.172.116.208 References: <995110.82874.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.12,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <8b21adeb-ac14-4f9c-b941-48229cd79ced@a37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was PMSing yesterday. I still am today. ((more bitchiness follows)) Seriously, stop using English to define Lojban. That's your whole problem. You keep saying, "Yeah, it means 'want' like 'I want an apple'" and that's -not- how it works. The English means "I want to possess and have on my person an apple.". So if you're saying that {mi djica lo plise} means that, then what does {mi djica lo nu bajra} mean? I want to possess and have on my person running? It has to mean the same thing every time. That's what the issue is exactly. If anything the implication is existence. "I desire the existence of X." is a more accurate English translation of the correct usage. Addressing {nitcu}, it works the same way. However, {pilno} doesn't mention anything or have any implication of ownership, possession, or carrying, as you pointed out. One can use one's sense of direction just the same as one can use a hammer. It doesn't imply any kind of carrying, possession, or method of use, just that it is used, and for what purpose, but not how. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.