From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCQsLjmBBoE--1Y8A@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 18:30:11 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCjDo-0003Dn-Iv; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:30:11 -0700 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf3095086wyb.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:29:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=wPjT8sVQYZ3gAMShwf9+xEwJ6WEyoxDuBY8zbbg5Jv0=; b=KauFaHAF442fVSdqBumcLUrepI43Scz/AkvmHSD1XpG/eQnKiwJTEPUklC3yrnxvk6 r5mH3wKpKmGsMuC+yu/ZHIzyEGwUx8k7TwTA3WS9Mhc1Q0mp8q0Rw+6DIAQE8aRkV2rt icOiN4NzoBCf3RctlGWbyB/+MsIPyIaFa3sMY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=dggX+2axVHr0OKppasZTJ6BKaLvbXKfmxat6WqVfxVrtUAFSZIOd20QWVhWHw5ncBZ oMY7rDtSwYCptrl2A3NOeB7FTRoIH680tPehKkhXBXPm1obJo9Kwhq8lDW1PF7V1bIhK 8Qlq0HPM/dQ/9CeXlPnTTGRmm5tbGgacbK5qk= Received: by 10.216.237.132 with SMTP id y4mr2094940weq.16.1288574992517; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:29:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.3.19 with SMTP id 19ls1686840wbl.3.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.129.19 with SMTP id m19mr573940wbs.29.1288574991508; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.129.19 with SMTP id m19mr573939wbs.29.1288574991483; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q27si2167448wbv.5.2010.10.31.18.29.50; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.172; Received: by wyb28 with SMTP id 28so5294600wyb.3 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:29:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.136.72 with SMTP id q8mr11788991wbt.52.1288574989969; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.32.140 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:29:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8b21adeb-ac14-4f9c-b941-48229cd79ced@a37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> References: <995110.82874.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8b21adeb-ac14-4f9c-b941-48229cd79ced@a37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:29:49 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Lindar wrote: > > Seriously, stop using English to define Lojban. That's your whole > problem. You keep saying, "Yeah, it means 'want' like 'I want an > apple'" and that's -not- how it works. The English means "I want to > possess and have on my person an apple.". So if you're saying that {mi > djica lo plise} means that, then what does {mi djica lo nu bajra} > mean? vi'o .i mi pilno lo glico ki'u lo nu do pilno lo glico .i .e'u ba'e do pilno lo lojbo va'o lo nu do djica lo nu mi ciksi bau lo lojbo .i lu ko'a djica ko'e ko'i li'u cu se smuni la'e di'e .i ko'a jinvi lo du'u ko'a ka'e pilno ko'e ko'i .i va'o lo nu da'i ko'i fasnu kei ko'a gleki gi'a se mansa .i na vajni fa lo du'u ko'e dacti gi'i kau fasnu > I want to possess and have on my person running? It has to mean > the same thing every time. ie .i ro roi se smuni lo mintu .i .e'o ko na gasnu lo nu cfipu ma'a lo ka pilno lo glico > That's what the issue is exactly. If > anything the implication is existence. "I desire the existence of X." > is a more accurate English translation of the correct usage. lo glico xe fanva na sai vajni .i ko ciksi bau lo lojbo > Addressing {nitcu}, it works the same way. However, {pilno} doesn't > mention anything or have any implication of ownership, possession, or > carrying, as you pointed out. One can use one's sense of direction > just the same as one can use a hammer. je'e .i si'a da ka'e djica lo mruli .a lo nu se jinzi lo ka farna .i da ka'e nitcu lo fartci .a lo nu catlu lo tarci > It doesn't imply any kind of > carrying, possession, or method of use, just that it is used, and for > what purpose, but not how. je'e .i si'a ge nai lo nu djica ko'a gi nai lo nu nitcu ko'a cu se sarcu lo nu tolcau ko'a mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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