From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBD_srjmBBoE8jwq6g@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 31 18:36:14 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PCjJj-0003S1-3R; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:36:14 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf8715726gyd.16 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=P1Dj4HhNF27auSMA2AnzGCd58sy6qaPJhkVkOEVtxEE=; b=E/IWZ3+BHxovXwXFu1cI9sbjhPIaDKUX9Rp0U5iwsW6NU7oRmKlcBS7E3Km1dFutH7 xsYuHK7Mk564T83RE9EbkAobH2KpBMz0lZcwzVDozot2tFA3fCHOurF4v50duzHQk4xI +6LQ1lbJiC1Mr0RmSxRFFE03bs8Mg2ANuuYzI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Dk19FYYSB7cnNlUu3Cd+jj6mEaZ6EbaKz09i4ZSjLvnQPwcu/+Q38X62iYqdh54Omd 9njVPcLJwzI3HZ5IyN5PgqP/GCRIdmNGlCfsHNCkC94QiZsc7WMpYHkdo0dXEfUILG1O gyGkWsERc8zety9oIEZqYqSo9xbxR+Tud86lE= Received: by 10.151.116.16 with SMTP id t16mr2189376ybm.68.1288575359333; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:35:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls4021383ibr.2.p; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.11.136 with SMTP id t8mr3893584ibt.0.1288575358537; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.11.136 with SMTP id t8mr3893583ibt.0.1288575358487; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f170.google.com (mail-iw0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si5251311ibb.4.2010.10.31.18.35.57; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.170; Received: by mail-iw0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 9so6479842iwn.15 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:35:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.138 with SMTP id p10mr13108722ibd.33.1288575357292; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.149.14 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.149.14 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:35:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <995110.82874.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8b21adeb-ac14-4f9c-b941-48229cd79ced@a37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 21:35:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d6e597010580493f3d4aa --0022152d6e597010580493f3d4aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ta'o ma se smuni lu genai broda ginai brode li'u .i mi puca jinvi lo du'u l= u genai broda gi brode li'u cu drani .i mu'i ma do reroi cusku zo nai On Oct 31, 2010 9:29 PM, "Jorge Llamb=EDas" wrote: > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Lindar wrote: >> >> Seriously, stop using English to define Lojban. That's your whole >> problem. You keep saying, "Yeah, it means 'want' like 'I want an >> apple'" and that's -not- how it works. The English means "I want to >> possess and have on my person an apple.". So if you're saying that {mi >> djica lo plise} means that, then what does {mi djica lo nu bajra} >> mean? > > vi'o .i mi pilno lo glico ki'u lo nu do pilno lo glico .i .e'u ba'e do > pilno lo lojbo va'o lo nu do djica lo nu mi ciksi bau lo lojbo .i lu > ko'a djica ko'e ko'i li'u cu se smuni la'e di'e .i ko'a jinvi lo du'u > ko'a ka'e pilno ko'e ko'i .i va'o lo nu da'i ko'i fasnu kei ko'a gleki > gi'a se mansa .i na vajni fa lo du'u ko'e dacti gi'i kau fasnu > >> I want to possess and have on my person running? It has to mean >> the same thing every time. > > ie .i ro roi se smuni lo mintu .i .e'o ko na gasnu lo nu cfipu ma'a lo > ka pilno lo glico > >> That's what the issue is exactly. If >> anything the implication is existence. "I desire the existence of X." >> is a more accurate English translation of the correct usage. > > lo glico xe fanva na sai vajni .i ko ciksi bau lo lojbo > >> Addressing {nitcu}, it works the same way. However, {pilno} doesn't >> mention anything or have any implication of ownership, possession, or >> carrying, as you pointed out. One can use one's sense of direction >> just the same as one can use a hammer. > > je'e .i si'a da ka'e djica lo mruli .a lo nu se jinzi lo ka farna .i > da ka'e nitcu lo fartci .a lo nu catlu lo tarci > >> It doesn't imply any kind of >> carrying, possession, or method of use, just that it is used, and for >> what purpose, but not how. > > je'e .i si'a ge nai lo nu djica ko'a gi nai lo nu nitcu ko'a cu se > sarcu lo nu tolcau ko'a > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com = . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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On Oct 31, 2010 9:29 PM, "Jorge Llamb=EDas&= quot; <jjllambias@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Li= ndar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com= > wrote:
>>
>> Seriously, stop using English to define Lojban. That&#= 39;s your whole
>> problem. You keep saying, "Yeah, it means = 'want' like 'I want an
>> apple'" and that= 9;s -not- how it works. The English means "I want to
>> possess and have on my person an apple.". So if you're sa= ying that {mi
>> djica lo plise} means that, then what does {mi dj= ica lo nu bajra}
>> mean?
>
> vi'o .i mi pilno lo= glico ki'u lo nu do pilno lo glico .i .e'u ba'e do
> pilno lo lojbo va'o lo nu do djica lo nu mi ciksi bau lo lojbo .i = lu
> ko'a djica ko'e ko'i li'u cu se smuni la'e d= i'e .i ko'a jinvi lo du'u
> ko'a ka'e pilno ko= 9;e ko'i .i va'o lo nu da'i ko'i fasnu kei ko'a gleki > gi'a se mansa .i na vajni fa lo du'u ko'e dacti gi'i k= au fasnu
>
>> I want to possess and have on my person runni= ng? It has to mean
>> the same thing every time.
>
> = ie .i ro roi se smuni lo mintu .i .e'o ko na gasnu lo nu cfipu ma'a= lo
> ka pilno lo glico
>
>> That's what the issue is ex= actly. If
>> anything the implication is existence. "I desire= the existence of X."
>> is a more accurate English translati= on of the correct usage.
>
> lo glico xe fanva na sai vajni .i ko ciksi bau lo lojbo
&g= t;
>> Addressing {nitcu}, it works the same way. However, {pilno}= doesn't
>> mention anything or have any implication of owners= hip, possession, or
>> carrying, as you pointed out. One can use one's sense of direc= tion
>> just the same as one can use a hammer.
>
> je= 'e .i si'a da ka'e djica lo mruli .a lo nu se jinzi lo ka farna= .i
> da ka'e nitcu lo fartci .a lo nu catlu lo tarci
>
>&g= t; It doesn't imply any kind of
>> carrying, possession, or me= thod of use, just that it is used, and for
>> what purpose, but no= t how.
>
> je'e .i si'a ge nai lo nu djica ko'a gi nai lo nu= nitcu ko'a cu se
> sarcu lo nu tolcau ko'a
>
> = mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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