From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDH5a3lBBoEbezzpg@googlegroups.com Tue Oct 05 11:47:54 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3CYH-0006Bp-Uh; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:47:54 -0700 Received: by ywo7 with SMTP id 7sf185809ywo.16 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:47:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=GG8Q05CwGp2NaDARhwPKkevbM7Q3pUF0Xc3WmM6Swz8=; b=zeNYcASy1jxoHil+O0cWgms3DgNKrdCpVOG0YLXpsakgh4nGMEWSws8yK9ZQb4THfN B4k3PbSFabye6G++EEm2rMYdp64bSrxMz1+EUzb2kizKwl2Uf7zfp5IhNjRaMmwUKyJZ 561j0kxhBD75nP/He/GGZiB8FRE4fSFF5Agj8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=HtdFnG3K/zzIVYpkd1Z34TRP2N5idO5vv2gOHLgiHPdBc9RdK6OJ726nKK3jJyFCUH pm3VDk41aqHQH2sgKV83Yj96FEHW5DpilS/iOllMKiUuXpUx5q1d2Xg1/hXYRVhzoWf0 QNWp0DZ9fNOuKinspiJ8EIYoWjTbHDaSm6uiE= Received: by 10.91.9.1 with SMTP id m1mr88864agi.48.1286304455545; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:47:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls3310186ibr.2.p; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.160.79 with SMTP id m15mr3243933ibx.6.1286304454727; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.160.79 with SMTP id m15mr3243932ibx.6.1286304454663; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f180.google.com (mail-iw0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id db12si4004652ibb.1.2010.10.05.11.47.33; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.180; Received: by mail-iw0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 33so608273iwn.25 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:47:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.166.9 with SMTP id k9mr12553483iby.127.1286304453261; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:47:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010011823.25227.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4CA76670.50601@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:47:33 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujvo) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045013dcc027b690491e318eb --005045013dcc027b690491e318eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > > oh that's sweet. That'd take forever to memorize. I have a new missio= n > in > > life. Define lujvo that no other language has a word for yet. And I > shall > > call this activity: nunynonbaupo'evlafi'i > > Presumably that's from "nu finti lo valsi poi no bangu cu ponse (ke'a)". > > Let's set aside the question of whether languages can own any words. > The major problem I have with the structure of that lujvo is how to > get the "nonbaupo'e" part from "no bangu cu ponse (ke'a)". > > I'm not saying it's wrong, only that we don't really have any rules > for constructing lujvo out of whole bridi. All our rules really boil > down to reducing everything to two part lujvo. My first interpretation > for "nonbau" would be from "bangu be no da", something like "x1 is a > language with no speakers", not from "no bangu". And a "nonbaupo'e" > would be the owner of such a language. "nonbaupo'evla" could then be > "x1 is a word meaning 'owner of a language with no speakers' " and > then your lujvo would be "x1 is an event of creating words meaning > 'owner of a language with no speakers'". > > But as I said, we don't really have conventions for many-component > lujvo, since they are so cumbersome that nobody uses them. So if what > you want is clarity, it is better to avoid long lujvo. For purposes of > obfuscation they can be rather useful though. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > Well, according to jbofi'e, {nunynonbaupo'evlafi'i} means "being event(s) o= f 0??-language-ish-possess-ing-word-ish-create-r(s)??". It looks to me like i= t was made by using the simplest method of lujvo creation, i.e., smashing a tanru into one word, much like {gerku zdani} becomes {gerzda}. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --005045013dcc027b690491e318eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> oh that's sweet. =A0That'd take forever to memorize. =A0I have= a new mission in
> life. =A0Define lujvo that no other language has a word for yet. =A0An= d I shall
> call this activity:=A0nunynonbaupo'evlafi'i

Presumably that's from "nu finti lo valsi poi no bangu cu po= nse (ke'a)".

Let's set aside the question of whether languages can own any words. The major problem I have with the structure of that lujvo is how to
get the "nonbaupo'e" part from "no bangu cu ponse (ke= 9;a)".

I'm not saying it's wrong, only that we don't really have any r= ules
for constructing lujvo out of whole bridi. All our rules really boil
down to reducing everything to two part lujvo. My first interpretation
for "nonbau" would be from "bangu be no da", something = like "x1 is a
language with no speakers", not from "no bangu". And a "= ;nonbaupo'e"
would be the owner of such a language. "nonbaupo'evla" could = then be
"x1 is a word meaning 'owner of a language with no speakers' &= quot; and
then your lujvo would be "x1 is an event of creating words meaning
'owner of a language with no speakers'".

But as I said, we don't really have conventions for many-component
lujvo, since they are so cumbersome that nobody uses them. So if what
you want is clarity, it is better to avoid long lujvo. For purposes of
obfuscation they can be rather useful though.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


Well, a= ccording to jbofi'e, {nunynonbaupo'evlafi'i} means "being = event(s) of 0??-language-ish-possess-ing-word-ish-create-r(s)??". It l= ooks to me like it was made by using the simplest method of lujvo creation,= i.e., smashing a tanru into one word, much like {gerku zdani} becomes {ger= zda}.


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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmim= a le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Com= e to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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