From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDmlsvmBBoEoUhgMQ@googlegroups.com Thu Nov 04 08:04:19 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PE1MO-0000NN-E6; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:04:19 -0700 Received: by pvh1 with SMTP id 1sf329030pvh.16 for ; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:04:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=t1caPKTtFbQCMH1+IxcV7hbyg9T5ret+MnDw0O5BMQU=; b=ddN9Jo/B0NDSi/E89xQuFkQ722WqrsJnzbK5x2LL+wgGQdu4a/0qvT/SfO2WzCnpzC egZZqOJGAoiBl5bB6jh8JWj6gK390TuPDMtyj/HVuLaq5I59GGQTAXyltFt+BA4hjPP8 x7qoAlUHNMPGfqognEXYzDOETNeZpS/T3neQo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=3f3KJhX0/RYUDkJMxDe39ME8O9DQPyG8XhQqksq15vNCScls1rRO00Fm38bJ5RwMT8 IzaKGnp0/j3Q4WVYCK6qaoEyXU/XGEto/O5sV4GuQ6NYZ7qfii80rIb4Ril5RcG3Qtya tqBlI9uhOsVAnIlO6+8asqwL+sqKxroVDqf4c= Received: by 10.142.149.20 with SMTP id w20mr33792wfd.52.1288883046192; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls3075831wff.3.p; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.180.13 with SMTP id c13mr582045wff.61.1288883045301; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.180.13 with SMTP id c13mr582044wff.61.1288883045254; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f48.google.com (mail-pz0-f48.google.com [209.85.210.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f13si65594wfo.4.2010.11.04.08.04.04; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.48; Received: by pzk3 with SMTP id 3so267362pzk.7 for ; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:04:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.76.145 with SMTP id e17mr445412ick.62.1288883043942; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.149.14 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:04:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 11:04:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Another comic (Again!) From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba2124fdfdbf3304943b77df --90e6ba2124fdfdbf3304943b77df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this has been discussed many times before but to be sure... So, xorxes, you would use {ji'i} in a way such that {li re ji'i pa} would be understood to mean what exactly? Some actual number that is definitely twenty something, and it's around 21 (so it cannot be 19 but 24 would be reasonable)? And how is this different from how the CLL prescribes? So in your understanding of {ji'i}, if I wanted to say "about 10" would I have to say {li ji'i pano}. Would this mean "0, 10, 20, or 30" or "8, 9, 10, 11, or 12". (i.e. would the ji'i apply to only the pa, or would it apply to pano). Or am I completely mis-understanding how PA4 works for {ji'i}? 2010/11/4 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > > 2010/11/1 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > >> > >> I would make the answer "lo djedi be li su'e re ji'i ci" > >> > > I agree with the question change, but as I'm sure you know (and > > disagree with), xorxes, CLL 18.9.2 says your answer means "no more > > than approximately 23 days" (20-approximately 3). > > Yes, for me "ji'i" is in the same class with "za'u", "me'i", "su'o" > and "su'e". I don't think of "ji'i" as being in a world of its own. > > When it comes to choosing between being consistent with the rest of > the language, or being consistent with some random offcial rule, I > tend to lean towards the former. > > > I'd say "bi'i", not "ji'i". > > I never remember whether "PA bi'i PA" is supposed to be an interval, > some value in that interval, or either. If you use "bi'i" you should > probably move the "su'e too: "(re) bi'i (su'e ci)". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --90e6ba2124fdfdbf3304943b77df Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this has been discussed many times before but to be sure... =A0So, x= orxes, you would use {ji'i} in a way such that {li re ji'i pa} woul= d be understood to mean what exactly? =A0Some actual number that is definit= ely twenty something, and it's around 21 (so it cannot be 19 but 24 wou= ld be reasonable)?

And how is this different from how the CLL prescribes?
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So in your understanding of {ji'i}, if I wanted to = say "about 10" would I have to say {li ji'i pano}. =A0Would t= his mean "0, 10, 20, or 30" or "8, 9, 10, 11, or 12". = =A0(i.e. would the ji'i apply to only the pa, or would it apply to pano= ). =A0Or am I completely mis-understanding how PA4 works for {ji'i}?
2010/11/4 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> = wrote:
> 2010/11/1 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>>
>> I would make the answer "lo djedi be = li su'e re ji'i ci"
>>
> =A0I agree with the question change, but as I'm sure you know (and=
> disagree with), xorxes, CLL 18.9.2 says your answer means "no mor= e
> than approximately 23 days" (20-approximately 3).

Yes, for me "ji'i" is in the same class with "za&#= 39;u", "me'i", "su'o"
and "su'e". I don't think of "ji'i" as bein= g in a world of its own.

When it comes to choosing between being consistent with the rest of
the language, or being consistent with some random offcial rule, I
tend to lean towards the former.

>=A0I'd say "bi'i", not "ji'i".

I never remember whether "PA bi'i PA" is supposed to be= an interval,
some value in that interval, or either. If you use "bi'i" you= should
probably move the "su'e too: "(re) bi'i (su'e ci)&quo= t;.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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