From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDVoMvmBBoE1OedPw@googlegroups.com Thu Nov 04 08:25:25 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PE1gm-00032k-9b; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:25:24 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf2497258gyd.16 for ; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:25:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BOu/iFUNsAYg6Al2Wi+byLbatvkJDASp5+HOyXJjQwk=; b=Piids3dLi+mDkOEBaGMBkxxoBLsbqqYZ8Y+YYg8GMZFCZIlWGKsOWMlxu7IG3VKj+N l+alnn5ikMml81Uz7TgGVOFnqSxrsIp3CucudLEYXz6YAnhdc3iOlwq/yB/kronriLlh HetWVSGsC6mJwm2iLblqFgYY6k5T5+evglt1s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iRF+NkKRJ5VU3c+8v8JVAhaxqfRlJvrzBx5VKqu6obNut4pa2vwcvwLg0/abctCuBC vExt0Clw7O+rB0I0BTvrCfQkc+BhXh8SB1he+pLDo7yJzja4iqEbk68RPcYJhX1nz8Qe 8uyobBDfHVPhKKlEng8ZPt2wEMLqcLEw9uJMc= Received: by 10.91.44.1 with SMTP id w1mr118687agj.22.1288884309431; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:25:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.158.14 with SMTP id g14ls1313293ybe.7.p; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.215.20 with SMTP id n20mr263771ybg.39.1288884307512; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.215.20 with SMTP id n20mr263770ybg.39.1288884307479; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.216.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p19si23340ybk.10.2010.11.04.08.25.06; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.173; Received: by qyl33 with SMTP id 33so1434878qyl.11 for ; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:25:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.182.147 with SMTP id cc19mr766574qcb.265.1288884306158; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.219.14 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:25:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 11:25:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Another comic (Again!) From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/11/4 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> 2010/11/1 Jorge Llamb=EDas : >>> >>> I would make the answer "lo djedi be li su'e re ji'i ci" >>> >> =A0I agree with the question change, but as I'm sure you know (and >> disagree with), xorxes, CLL 18.9.2 says your answer means "no more >> than approximately 23 days" (20-approximately 3). > > Yes, for me "ji'i" is in the same class with "za'u", "me'i", "su'o" > and "su'e". I don't think of "ji'i" as being in a world of its own. > > When it comes to choosing between being consistent with the rest of > the language, or being consistent with some random offcial rule, I > tend to lean towards the former. Except that the CLL is silent on how to interpret things like "pa su'e mu". It may very well be that this should be interpreted as any number from 10-15. Even more interesting would be "pa su'o mu" Does this mean numbers from 15-19? Couldn't it also mean numbers from 110-199? 1100-1999? etc.? Bizarre, perhaps, but in the absence of any reformation/clarification of the PA system, entirely possible. In other words, ji'i might very well work the same as za'u, me'i su'o and su'e. We just haven't defined exactly how they work. The big problem, from my standpoint is lumping everything together in one big PA catchall, meaning everything is interchangeable from a parser format, but it makes interpreting their meanings headachy. > >>=A0I'd say "bi'i", not "ji'i". > > I never remember whether "PA bi'i PA" is supposed to be an interval, > some value in that interval, or either. If you use "bi'i" you should > probably move the "su'e too: "(re) bi'i (su'e ci)". Actually, I had the same question about your formulation -- how do you know it right-groups into su'e (re ji'i ci)? (assuming that's how you were reading it. If not, how are you understanding your formulation?) But yes, I agree.. tell me how to do it? vei/ve'o? --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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