From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxCgtczmBBoEiZR-Qg@googlegroups.com Thu Nov 04 13:42:24 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PE6dX-0005Lp-SL; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:42:23 -0700 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf969750qyk.16 for ; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:42:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=e2olLsUp59gmaneKkyL17LYPz3X9tuAQJ+pKFBgcloo=; b=gS9Ex36Ua7bIfLvYm9vPOfnZdwyBtOrcHRUf6xZWKk9y7xAI6UWR19WmerdM/Z1ZUr UHwo441GekyG2jeP8JSyhkjV5fYuv4DFzYzPsYXgNWK83JsLtGJvEL6Tbfu8wO2dq67s Dd8H2MClbsvyV27IxB0q53VCOnHZH+WzOr8XM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=S8NEtPXS80i9O26oANpW9TTTkAWE4wIaSRrwuFHCjZJ7t3v3+XV+5v+WwojA+hqE+Y dya5vJ+7q/iHgBAs246lUOPFFp4U6WNYgckRZz/ogl6RXmict/D2hVY1dLzoe4Lbi1xq 2+KPyKNNj23oomUdp4xolC8eDkdPPWA1AqiKk= Received: by 10.229.78.204 with SMTP id m12mr76226qck.49.1288903328135; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:42:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.80.196 with SMTP id u4ls752974qck.0.p; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.14 with SMTP id z14mr154150qck.23.1288903326958; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.14 with SMTP id z14mr154149qck.23.1288903326934; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f170.google.com (mail-qy0-f170.google.com [209.85.216.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y15si182057qce.11.2010.11.04.13.42.05; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.170; Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so1746134qyk.15 for ; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:42:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.100.20 with SMTP id w20mr1069328qcn.233.1288903325592; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.229.78 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Nov 2010 13:42:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:42:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Another comic (Again!) From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: >> a dijycertu is a {dinju certu} a "building-type of-expert" i.e. an >> "expert in buildings" =A0i.e. a "master builder". > =A0A master builder is a dijyzbacre, a master architect is a > dijyplacre, and ardchitectural historian is a dijycicre. Well, actually going back to the orginal it doesn't say if he's the master builder or the architect. He said (in the next page) that he followed the emperor's plans but it's not clear if he is the architect (and the emperor gave him direction) or the bulder (and the emperor give him detailed plans). > =A0They are all experts about buildings. =A0Just different types of exper= ts. Given that the original doesn't say it, what about leaving dijcre? We still don't know what type of expert he his, but we don't know it in the original either. Alternatively. How could I render "Mister Roduz"? The reason the original put "mister" is to differentiate the viceroy behavior toward Roduz (a free man) and the frog man (a slave). Just say {coi .roduz.} doesn't seem right to me. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.