From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCD5dDmBBoEsVqf1A@googlegroups.com Fri Nov 05 09:36:36 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PEPHA-0005gf-BW; Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:36:36 -0700 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf1817943qyk.16 for ; Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:36:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=R0MUJgpsMBrOkcJ+vFGkhIn+2EpMbcKjXXXVfn5Ri4M=; b=QmkRJTCowxF/1AUInr4AklNYIaDdmAQMFSiQUtbRyMIWtVmCy8phKLiM/nl+qRpT4y oJjjPPRTz4lKp8uM8zkSsD0WZp9/p+pd2gwBbelCb4/evPuXIGLl9vaxHmlt2q/VujsY Z7m64RTeiSwZHuhWSsntbTETjlC/vdvE6kKRY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=655f8Emaqd6nDX7anW8h3VZeUTh76BXnjuQyuvEQqAMEc23QDJdjf3Mziub+SJcwX6 doM7dnqxC90YrICmJStyX1qoNS6GHIOube0JrE1QmCWlGqkHu3Uq2ryltZVaEax3igEN lQJfCb5EPqDmPEEpwuic6XgoDqf0B7u+s/ynk= Received: by 10.229.2.71 with SMTP id 7mr162274qci.12.1288974979380; Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:36:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.69.77 with SMTP id y13ls1083133qci.3.p; Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.229.195 with SMTP id jj3mr278340qcb.26.1288974977562; Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.229.195 with SMTP id jj3mr278339qcb.26.1288974977537; Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f169.google.com (mail-qy0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t18si761741qcs.0.2010.11.05.09.36.16; Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.169; Received: by mail-qy0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 5so2674214qyk.7 for ; Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:36:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.193.3 with SMTP id ds3mr1350037qab.54.1288974976365; Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.219.14 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:36:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201011051217.20884.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201011042236.10981.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20101105150738.GB21919@alice.local> <201011051217.20884.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:36:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] bug in jbofi'e From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right, because it's behaving as if "bjo" is a valid rafsi formation. (For example, compare the way it handles "nalce'e/selce'e") It knows that nal- means "other than f" where f is the gismu of the second rafsi, so it can say that part even if the second rafsi is undefined. But SE conversions it can't do unless the rafsi is actually pointing to a real gismu because the x2 's gloss is completely gismu-dependent, so those just return "???". (just like it can say "grace'e" is "weighed in grams -???"). What is SHOULD be saying is "unrecognized word", just like "grabjo" gets you. It obviously has special code for certain beginnig rafsi. --gjeyspa On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 05 November 2010 11:07:38 .alyn.post. wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 10:36:10PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> > I tried various permutations of "lojban". For "nalbjo" it says "being >> > other than ??", even though it says just "??" for "selbjo", and vlatai >> > recognizes both as fu'ivla. >> >> I can't quite put together what you did here, what happened, and >> what you expected. >> >> Can you restate this as a transcript showing what you typed, the >> output you got, and what you expected the output to be? > > Here is the transcript of jbopy, which uses jbofi'e as a back end: > ----------------------- >>> nabjlo > .. > [ << nabjlo >> ] > [ << ??? =A0 =A0>> ] > [ << =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0>> ] > 1 2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2 =A01 > >>> nabjol > .. > nabjol. > [NAME] > >>> naljbo > .. > [ << naljbo =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0>> ] > [ << being other than Lojbanic >> ] > [ << =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >> ] > 1 2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A02 =A01 > >>> nalbjo > .. > [ << nalbjo =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0>> ] > [ << being other than ?? >> ] > [ << =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >> ] > 1 2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A02 =A01 > >>> bjona'e > .. > Unrecognizable word 'bjona'e' at line 1 column 1 >>> selbjo > .. > [ << selbjo >> ] > [ << ?? =A0 =A0 >> ] > [ << =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0>> ] > 1 2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2 =A01 > ---------------------- > What it should say to "nalbjo" is "[ << ?? >> ]". > > Pierre > -- > The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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