From lojban+bncCJrK5PGGEBCU0tXmBBoEd81C5A@googlegroups.com Sat Nov 06 07:41:40 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PEjxY-0004zG-Pm; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:41:39 -0700 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf2497490wwb.16 for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:41:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:from:organization:to :subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :x-interia-antivirus:x-emid:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=xgBPkpLRGobXy55dT27IVVY8oOQRKG8AtgmlFWbBIXc=; b=BkbkZNK1j+Y9qTP2+wZFkJGQWuQmECqeX3VnDTyl1gSdfioU6IaQR61jnD6o/BlODm 89uvKdYFREd6D2GfxqQCPeQreX54wl6oBTTKTlXgzfOPpejS460oZrrwwFszb45ljm5T izNXHusbmBGaGQbR7Py1GfeM6gOZpPF4xirIg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:organization:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:x-interia-antivirus:x-emid :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; b=YnSRQ/7z5gDWXVIG5adq7rGGFZAnoE1dkUsvG9c33i1Bn0907EstEi072aiwJ64p8y H5tjpiWO8evc9o7s0A5qXDkUu6Bn1jMXImYTzLuvKcncfkRXXHW5JNttsHiQTAEqp6R5 pOsJG1V3eNn3rcfNvb2OlnVDLOr1EIzSmxuyQ= Received: by 10.216.229.14 with SMTP id g14mr302866weq.0.1289054484400; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:41:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.26.28 with SMTP id b28ls364166eea.5.p; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.72 with SMTP id m48mr164161eeh.22.1289054480366; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.72 with SMTP id m48mr164160eeh.22.1289054480353; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.206]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t6si755496eeh.4.2010.11.06.07.41.20; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.206 as permitted sender) client-ip=217.74.65.206; Received: by smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL, from userid 502) id 6F6FB102C560; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:41:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from zx-spectrum-1.localnet (c204.idd156.nettete.pl [77.79.204.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:41:17 +0100 (CET) From: Krzysztof Sobolewski Organization: Sobole To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Anki and tatoeba Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:48:17 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.36-hugepage; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3068689.AXVPoMR9nz"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201011061548.21637.jezuch@interia.pl> X-Interia-Antivirus: OK X-EMID: 7df48acc X-Original-Sender: jezuch@interia.pl X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.206 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jezuch@interia.pl Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , --nextPart3068689.AXVPoMR9nz Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia sobota, 6 listopada 2010 o 15:08:37 Oren napisa=C5=82(a): > { .i } will confuse speakers of English, etc. who don't have it in their = native tongue > (Underlying suggestion: We should adopt a style that makes lojban appear = friendly & familiar) As an aside: "i" appears in Polish as an equivalent of Lojban's {je}, {.e} = and {gi'e}. It is often abused by small children who talk like "= and and ", effectively re-inventing L= ojban's {.i} as a sentence separator (or was it the other way round?). As a= side effect, when I read a longer text in Lojban, I have to fight this int= ernal voice of a small child repeating everything in my head. I have issues, I know ;) =2D-=20 Ecce Jezuch "Silence has a definition, vocabulary of muted diction Precise thought to miscomprehend, ambiguity in high resolution Articulate expletive fiction open to misinterpretation - so precise" =2D J. Walker --nextPart3068689.AXVPoMR9nz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkzVarIACgkQy0fq9RM+TxjPSwCeLPrJLmhUzeEuKl+eHcLtPY/g sgUAoLFiOQ4kjD1Pz/rE4IFtxszPXAEl =PeWb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3068689.AXVPoMR9nz--