From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD27dXmBBoEnSp3cw@googlegroups.com Sat Nov 06 08:40:53 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PEkss-0006wu-QT; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 08:40:53 -0700 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf2520951wwb.16 for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 08:40:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=K3UnPDWWhL+t+foeN1gxdfcaSlzLn94RLelSXoj6Vbo=; b=uP62ivVaR+Y2mnGzCvFIT/Q9AjZFT+0koNhrIRk37MC5g8SO9ZuKmNJR7cAwHs4PD3 WqTtG+9ORaVtPz0XpjHFKkJ8lKxgZaBlvTKkJO2HUk5Ee3/4B+p8Q1boluT1YB+OBZLe h7a02kD4jtkeQL3cS/Td3xxEFyV5mpeLtaijg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=CHYlM1CNSjNhMY5yIWL3Pq4O2kP2IUp1esBdrA6UtEub5ce81vbs0krwnjrnt9Ddl+ riXfE1JtlHsAUCQsqeTn0qhYRTGVHKKKrWIalXZIdYSkhLzTzHAZkTdNMslV7Z8GYJQc CLgQ3KDx9+z1o7hzScOLtGcVw1XpkFrKfDRLY= Received: by 10.216.240.140 with SMTP id e12mr358213wer.0.1289058038705; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 08:40:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.2.196 with SMTP id 4ls1299029wbk.1.p; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 08:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.128.83 with SMTP id j19mr155339wbs.2.1289058037414; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 08:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.128.83 with SMTP id j19mr155338wbs.2.1289058037385; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 08:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id w33si998713wbd.2.2010.11.06.08.40.36; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 08:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.42; Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so805245wwb.1 for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 08:40:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.29.204 with SMTP id r12mr3341794wbc.110.1289058036027; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 08:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.32.140 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 08:40:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <68245bdf-cca4-46a8-8216-14d44cd0e9a9@37g2000prx.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:40:35 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Anki and tatoeba From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Oren wrote: > Smaller Topic: Whether { .i } should be dropped I think you have that topic backwards. The topic should be whether ".i" should be added, not dropped. The best translation of "that's big" is "ta barda" (or "tu barda"). ".i ta barda", "ta barda .i" and ".i ta barda .i" are all grammatically correct utterances, but they consist of more than a sentence, they are a sentence plus one or more sentence separators. The first form ".i ta barda" is much more common in usage than the other two forms with ".i" added at the end, but it still has an added ".i". The only thing dropped in "ta barda" is the terminator "vau", which is part of the sentence. As for including all unneeded elidable terminators, that would seem to go against their policy of "authentic utterances", since nobody really speaks Lojban like that. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.