From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDy8NbmBBoEh9i7nw@googlegroups.com Sat Nov 06 13:20:16 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PEpFE-0000wq-KH; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:20:16 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf4750315gyd.16 for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:20:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FArbh0l0KTZtuXA0nHVhvxvMoycTr/l2EP0rewJuRmU=; b=ckWZ/831yJIiDRnPcENvvvGm/HdNQbLgteCz/ReMO07U8Kuiszgou7+BKnvKOV+LBY TukNy1M2Oe2zYAUnk64/MlsCc+DZp4iM3ZHJw5IFUaoG7+ruWHOMuMZ5zGozN0ngdGCb wq749cVhJIPCyqe6YzEUx9Es+Zf49EANpceOY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=vqF/pLa+Mc3wMioXsrB/PkkjjMsquVaNtKeNB1vTQE8m8q4aOc0t6orVTtEORbn0TS 6kmUbVjtKP7Qn7rIZMxzcMSIKz1dJU9eXxbl1XaPwTtONwqwtivfQk3b3Sm40DRwae4I MoDfm7nU/5MvRc7MzrF++XIxSxZ4mmMX9en4A= Received: by 10.151.62.41 with SMTP id p41mr383611ybk.14.1289074802473; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:20:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.39.10 with SMTP id d10ls2453712ibe.3.p; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr712963ibk.15.1289074801539; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr712962ibk.15.1289074801494; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f173.google.com (mail-iw0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si1815226ibq.1.2010.11.06.13.20.00; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.173; Received: by mail-iw0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 36so4473575iwn.18 for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:20:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.243.132 with SMTP id lm4mr2351330icb.177.1289074800295; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.37.198 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:20:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <68245bdf-cca4-46a8-8216-14d44cd0e9a9@37g2000prx.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 14:20:00 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Anki and tatoeba From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e84b88f7d370494681d50 --90e6ba6e84b88f7d370494681d50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, basically, usage says to put the {.i} in front, but not any elidable terminators, yes? 2010/11/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Oren wrote: > > Smaller Topic: Whether { .i } should be dropped > > I think you have that topic backwards. The topic should be whether > ".i" should be added, not dropped. The best translation of "that's > big" is "ta barda" (or "tu barda"). > > ".i ta barda", "ta barda .i" and ".i ta barda .i" are all > grammatically correct utterances, but they consist of more than a > sentence, they are a sentence plus one or more sentence separators. > > The first form ".i ta barda" is much more common in usage than the > other two forms with ".i" added at the end, but it still has an added > ".i". The only thing dropped in "ta barda" is the terminator "vau", > which is part of the sentence. > > As for including all unneeded elidable terminators, that would seem to > go against their policy of "authentic utterances", since nobody really > speaks Lojban like that. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --90e6ba6e84b88f7d370494681d50 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, basically, usage says to put the {.i} in front, but not any elidable te= rminators, yes?

2010/11/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
> Smaller To= pic: Whether { .i } should be dropped

I think you have that to= pic backwards. The topic should be whether
".i" should be added, not dropped. The best translation of "= that's
big" is "ta barda" (or "tu barda").<= br>
".i ta barda", "ta barda .i" and ".i ta bar= da .i" are all
grammatically correct utterances, but they consist of more than a
senten= ce, they are a sentence plus one or more sentence separators.

The fi= rst form ".i ta barda" is much more common in usage than the
other two forms with ".i" added at the end, but it still has an a= dded
".i". The only thing dropped in "ta barda" is t= he terminator "vau",
which is part of the sentence.

As for including all unneeded elidable terminators, that would seem to
g= o against their policy of "authentic utterances", since nobody re= ally
speaks Lojban like that.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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