From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCZ09rmBBoEs5VBgA@googlegroups.com Sun Nov 07 05:29:15 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PF5Iy-00068U-Rr; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:29:15 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf2982016wwb.16 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:29:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=teLKNc+fIC8O6ROxaESTjUGN4ZSThJH6VR7YMJeGo9s=; b=XPjuq/idjL4oNmT458/mHoCKoo8slGxaIgBTk3mT1CME6fM1bMHxCbk1YRAsaA1eTW ojcjK4nkyLLETRed+rd1naidHlkmWlwdm1mtzCIiHQadehgSZ7IGX6MAtIHu3SYaoCzI N1jyuj5Gvs6SsacjVjGYXACdydMDl9Iz/HHqI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=x2TS+Ih7Vjyf15wnWaWKONg2AFeb/wfSfQicaXev//Y652fgXsE7xwzxhCXcaWyfWF hP7sGfuV2L7Ff/mn0Zu0HWgQ46ZnkGJSppMjVZknCVT/51YcFJsX0Dq953i9VleuAxeN uswV6eAKZFbOVKi3oF247uy0cigXVeA85l9OM= Received: by 10.216.86.131 with SMTP id w3mr37276wee.2.1289136537796; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:28:57 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.3.11 with SMTP id 11ls180382wbl.3.p; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:28:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.29.217 with SMTP id r25mr192804wbc.6.1289136535678; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:28:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.29.217 with SMTP id r25mr192802wbc.6.1289136535628; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:28:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com (mail-wy0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l2si1137958weq.5.2010.11.07.05.28.54; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.169; Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so4855739wyf.14 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:28:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.151.69 with SMTP id b5mr4163437wbw.168.1289136533879; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:28:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.32.140 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:28:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7d518546-dcea-4af2-944f-d023dadb1f33@w30g2000prj.googlegroups.com> References: <68245bdf-cca4-46a8-8216-14d44cd0e9a9@37g2000prx.googlegroups.com> <7d518546-dcea-4af2-944f-d023dadb1f33@w30g2000prj.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:28:53 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Anki and tatoeba From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Lindar wrote: > > For the record, {.i } is rather important as {xu do tavla} is > meaningless horseshit AFAIC due to the fact that {xu} is not attaching > to anything, regardless of how often this phrasing is used. Indicators can be used after (almost) any word, or at the beginning of an utterance. When used after a word, they attach to that word, and their effect can usually be determined from that attachment. When used at the beginning of the utterance, their scope is normally the following bridi. "xu do tavla" is grammatical, meaningful, and a common way of asking a question. > {ni'o} is for new subjects, {.i } is for continuing those subjects, > {no'i} is for old subjects. Even if you don't normally use them or see > them used, please start using them. That's quite correct. But this thread is about the translation of isolated sentences, not about the construction of a text that includes many sentences. It is grammatical to use ni'o/no'i/.i in front of an isolated sentence, but it doesn't really add much, since there is no context for the sentence to be a change of topic, the continuation of a topic or a going back to some old topic. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.