From lojban+bncCJGY6cDlFhCT7drmBBoEnX-9jA@googlegroups.com Sun Nov 07 06:24:36 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PF6Aa-00088d-0H; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:24:36 -0800 Received: by fxm13 with SMTP id 13sf1103928fxm.16 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:24:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nZTRoxGfVwATf7LR6PiYR2m6DqKp1SfEQLZJz2lORzw=; b=BHu9/VB7EMS8Q72EpWEf+N3aRa0E2tuV5VCReItpyIujRkJBo77k73rHPgvatgEqeK 1dU3iLMdl/yALRkue0vdq/j6e/nRSVk1dDqu+WsJCLEo9ZEyFX32DCCAuGLVK1Zkw7kZ NUc5doKylUZe0SofvLCP4JfoHhqBdrcYNxBLo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=g9xIfjpP3KBzKcKYk/F/vAfNK1Xg+5wxgIm+j4Pm+qgETcePDli4bteG0GZdm/qC32 zji5va8NmAmYR7xSjdi9gdXwkWLZOwyCTw09Lv7UyJeIxGemKwaydWDfMPmnBccS8yuq 3IQ1oTVRqebYWeNwwj/FeFaS6+0E4mBdOiR3o= Received: by 10.223.83.4 with SMTP id d4mr128630fal.11.1289139859516; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:24:19 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.207 with SMTP id u15ls1444646bks.2.p; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.8.20 with SMTP id f20mr274090bkf.21.1289139858583; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.8.20 with SMTP id f20mr274089bkf.21.1289139858533; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f43.google.com (mail-fx0-f43.google.com [209.85.161.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 17si1919656bkn.3.2010.11.07.06.24.17; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.43; Received: by mail-fx0-f43.google.com with SMTP id 19so3644673fxm.2 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.113.84 with SMTP id z20mr2795450fap.72.1289139856961; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:24:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.117.10 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 06:23:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <68245bdf-cca4-46a8-8216-14d44cd0e9a9@37g2000prx.googlegroups.com> <7d518546-dcea-4af2-944f-d023dadb1f33@w30g2000prj.googlegroups.com> From: Oren Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:23:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Anki and tatoeba To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: get.oren@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=get.oren@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c59ae33d6f170494774368 --001636c59ae33d6f170494774368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My reading of the situation is: 1) newer lojbanists seem to know how to not be grammatically wrong 2) more experienced lojbanists seem not to be too concerned with homogenization 3) the number of currently contributing lojbanists is pretty small ...so, I'll take a poll, but I think that Ross's "let usage decide" rule might just make most sense. On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 09:17, Remo Dentato wrote: > I'm a little bit confused as I don't really see how the "dialects" > aspect is a problem. > > I do expect that different people would say thing differently. I might > say {le mlatu cu klama} and someone else could say {le mlatu ku klama} > and that's perfectly right. > > Each contributor of Tatoeba will add the sentences as he/she see fit. > Since there can be more than one translation for a sentence I don't > see a problem if both are entered. > > So, to me, the principle should be that the sentence we add to tatoeba > is one that *someone of us* would say. In other words, it shouldn't be > too convoluted. This means to me that we *should not* add a sentence > with all the elidable terminators just for the sake of doing it. > > As for the initial {.i} I'm still of the idea that we shouldn't put it. > > It seems odd to me that the translation of "the cat goes" would be > {ni'o le mlatu cu klama fa'o} or {.i le mlatu cu klama}. > > The {ni'o}, {fa'o} and {.i} presence depends on the position of the > sentence in a larger text, not on the translation itself. > > Do you think we should set a doodle poll to record the preferences? > > Remo > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- Oren Robinson (315) 569-2888 102 Morrison Ave Somerville, MA 02144 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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My reading of the situation is:

1) newe= r lojbanists seem to know how to not be grammatically wrong
2) mo= re experienced lojbanists seem not to be too concerned with homogenization<= /div>
3) the number of currently contributing lojbanists is pretty small

...so, I'll take a poll, but I think that Ross= 9;s "let usage decide" rule might just make most sense.


On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 0= 9:17, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm a little bit confused as I don't really see how the "diale= cts"
aspect is a problem.

I do expect that different people would say thing differently. I might
say {le mlatu cu klama} and someone else could say {le mlatu ku klama}
and that's perfectly right.

Each contributor of Tatoeba will add the sentences as he/she see fit.
Since there can be more than one translation for a sentence I don't
see a problem if both are entered.

So, to me, the principle should be that the sentence we add to tatoeba
is one that *someone of us* would say. In other words, it shouldn't be<= br> too convoluted. This means to me that we *should not* add a sentence
with all the elidable terminators just for the sake of doing it.

As for the initial {.i} I'm still of the idea that we shouldn't put= it.

It seems odd to me that the translation of "the cat goes" would b= e
{ni'o le mlatu cu klama fa'o} =A0or {.i le mlatu cu klama}.

The {ni'o}, {fa'o} and {.i} presence depends on the position of the=
sentence in a larger text, not on the translation itself.

Do you think we should set a doodle poll to record the preferences?

Remo

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