From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxC7gdvmBBoERChCcQ@googlegroups.com Sun Nov 07 07:07:58 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PF6qU-0000AQ-RO; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:07:57 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf4208822qyk.16 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:07:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=avsGbA9LTYDp2O/AWoHqPgSouWpD1GzQXOvPQ45uS2Q=; b=im47Rmpp7r2vfaVXq9Vut2rNrSOMVkV6XTT2GGCmdryzFXj3jfN6KTnfYZZjNHTULb WSvgbUuLfBCz8qtu7E42bexotH+XRzaU1eMwqih+sFndnZfYTe9TZf7Qfr8VGm4/9PZy nnb4pDBw5JepxElC1KT931CGoYBJpnZrcDKas= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Mp8jx6v5qYbdC6L2YaYtvu5InwRT8aEsK4S6t+Cpsdji/jHec2zVSYVoAsLBNuuhjn ThGRrWaIagVdG/yftX8y8f/qU3vT2Ygw3/fwtV9zweVBYaZTsqmPakawe8AcgDKeOX5r 1dGSNTOzyRh0yUlhTgUELZl+fkXqW/jagpnnc= Received: by 10.229.43.66 with SMTP id v2mr371428qce.43.1289142459105; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:07:39 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.69.77 with SMTP id y13ls1643860qci.3.p; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:07:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.186.196 with SMTP id ct4mr544772qcb.24.1289142458355; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:07:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.186.196 with SMTP id ct4mr544771qcb.24.1289142458329; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:07:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f43.google.com (mail-qw0-f43.google.com [209.85.216.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j6si2104874qcu.2.2010.11.07.07.07.37; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.43; Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so3807066qwj.30 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:07:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.100.20 with SMTP id w20mr4008735qcn.233.1289142457059; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.226.15 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 07:07:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <68245bdf-cca4-46a8-8216-14d44cd0e9a9@37g2000prx.googlegroups.com> <7d518546-dcea-4af2-944f-d023dadb1f33@w30g2000prj.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:07:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Anki and tatoeba From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I set it, let's see how many will participate. http://doodle.com/yscfgmu4k4y487mp Remo On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Oren wrote: > My reading of the situation is: > 1) newer lojbanists seem to know how to not be grammatically wrong > 2) more experienced lojbanists seem not to be too concerned with > homogenization > 3) the number of currently contributing lojbanists is pretty small > ...so, I'll take a poll, but I think that Ross's "let usage decide" rule > might just make most sense. > > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 09:17, Remo Dentato wrote: >> >> I'm a little bit confused as I don't really see how the "dialects" >> aspect is a problem. >> >> I do expect that different people would say thing differently. I might >> say {le mlatu cu klama} and someone else could say {le mlatu ku klama} >> and that's perfectly right. >> >> Each contributor of Tatoeba will add the sentences as he/she see fit. >> Since there can be more than one translation for a sentence I don't >> see a problem if both are entered. >> >> So, to me, the principle should be that the sentence we add to tatoeba >> is one that *someone of us* would say. In other words, it shouldn't be >> too convoluted. This means to me that we *should not* add a sentence >> with all the elidable terminators just for the sake of doing it. >> >> As for the initial {.i} I'm still of the idea that we shouldn't put it. >> >> It seems odd to me that the translation of "the cat goes" would be >> {ni'o le mlatu cu klama fa'o} =A0or {.i le mlatu cu klama}. >> >> The {ni'o}, {fa'o} and {.i} presence depends on the position of the >> sentence in a larger text, not on the translation itself. >> >> Do you think we should set a doodle poll to record the preferences? >> >> Remo >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > Oren Robinson > (315) 569-2888 > 102 Morrison Ave > Somerville, MA 02144 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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