From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRDMpdzmBBoEb427KA@googlegroups.com Sun Nov 07 12:58:03 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PFCJL-0007mt-V5; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:58:03 -0800 Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20sf5727918gwj.16 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:57:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1nWkGgVJNHyLiOxZ3CKWzQ51lgeTsZZ1XBli5SxTv5E=; b=W0pHgkWP/LFboYtv77T06T+ySZT68njknJjDEgZ2QYyWLuuzD2FIgu2Frgpjn+fltk cQXPZDCmNlYXGVKySHndEjXEvrq/r2nlBDwts4u0TMh0KTwZsWM9+jJIOgh6ZpDcKDTZ 5KbSA/NFDEFft1QI6VdebJu7ThZGQbsHUSMDo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=BhTZbQuhJ/wZa1YysJ7zBTemNQgXq2ykM1qQF2oIetroWIP0xDyoxF3vaNzKX1p8wH zUkK8psu7jFdM/0ufrxm4dDFhWxiER3p+VqC+zDhwcEbcMG8dDo5mrr2yr4DamuA7KUx 6WM/3oLB7E2yWaFe10XuGhBZQgBCBR6Y5aaPc= Received: by 10.90.38.18 with SMTP id l18mr223638agl.35.1289163468331; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:57:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.149.14 with SMTP id b14ls1035526ago.6.p; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:57:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.37.25 with SMTP id k25mr219920agk.3.1289163466739; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 35g2000prt.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:57:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:57:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201011072135.50151.jezuch@interia.pl> X-IP: 166.190.159.104 References: <8CD4CBEEE65C88A-1370-16D83@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> <6c90cb58-397f-48c7-a6d9-dc0d4d6f3a62@i4g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <201011072135.50151.jezuch@interia.pl> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.12,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <9e09941a-d4e0-4695-b283-1bd1333b972f@35g2000prt.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: I wanted to share this with you (writing thingy!). From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > First of all I thought it would be constructive to post this link:http://www.ccelian.com/ElianScriptFull.html > It explains *a lot* :) Especially how this would look like in handwriting. Actually, that doesn't explain a damn thing, as larlermorna is really only loosely based on Elian Script. If you look at the pictures that I've linked, you'll see that I've included several writing and style examples. Elian's English-mode functions veeeeeeery much not like the Lojban mode. > I really like this idea. One question though: where's {y}? :) Okay, since we've got so much confusion here, I will be very explicit. http://jbotcan.org/ideas/thumb/1289102653812s.jpg This picture outlines the basic script. It shows the grid and how the system was developed for a Lojban mode. Each corner of the hash corresponds to a letter. The example text reads {.i .o'i mu xagji sofybakni cu zvati le purdi}. This shows an example of every character (minus the 'hard-diphthongs'), so please refer to this as your core example. For those of you that just can't seem to get it, {.y'y} would be written: X X . ^ I hope that clears up an confusion on the 'non-letters'. http://jbotcan.org/ideas/thumb/1289103671236s.jpg This picture outlines several writing styles. The first two were hastily written with a round tip in two different fashions to illustrate how each character may be 'casually' written. Note that {coi} is the first word, and is a great example of how characters may be variably written. It can be written as a u or a |_|, as long as it's obvious that all 'sides' are equal(-ish) in length and that the top is open. We can also see in the first two lines that {rodo} is written two different ways. In the first, the D is written hanging down, whereas in the second it's written ===| with the horizontal bars extended instead. This is to illustrate that it doesn't matter which dimension is lengthened as long as it's made obvious that it is not equal in all dimensions. This is driven home in the third and fourth examples because all of the sides -are- equal, but in both there is a tail dropping downward. All four examples say {coi rodo mi'e la .lindar.} except the third which says {.lin.} because I was sloppy. Refer to this for style guides. http://jbotcan.org/ideas/thumb/1289106614940s.jpg This illustrates how the 'soft' diphthongs are made. I wanted to, for the sake of consistency, fill in the entire grid for the vowels as well. So AU AI EI OI have a single character. However, to come up with single characters for every permutation of initial I and initial U would be very difficult, especially since we've nearly exhausted every permutation of this grid system. To make this easier, diphthongs that have an initial I are overlined and initial U are underlined. The first example reads {.ui}. It is the character {.i } with the diacrit underlined. The second is the character {.u } which has been overlined, giving us {.iu} as a result. The third is {.ua}, which is the {.a } character underlined. The final example is an overlined {.o }, which gives us {.io}. http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289156112875.png This is a nifty picture of a giant stone monster. http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289156177933.png This is a picture of the same using larlermorna in a 'stone etched' style of writing as another example of its use and stylisation. The bubble reads {.i ti mo}. I hope I have cleared up any confusion on usage and characters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.