From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRD9z-HmBBoEDR0FKQ@googlegroups.com Mon Nov 08 13:13:45 2010 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PFZ26-0006uC-Cx; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:13:45 -0800 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf1715997pxi.16 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:13:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qsNBjVYTj/ty6mjkbLdpO2AbeB862iN3fXooskWxpKo=; b=VX0T3t9X5g7PUWLD+5Q/t+4tL5OU3NPoQaGk0rv+4qiOqQemvWM2T1eC6joMP0uFDU 38fAjGPBNCEkXrtfJpH0C76VyAh+0aA0y4Ld17cMDQd1V+n3VxUpqDs5gvxYFlU8/zfJ mjB6QoV3EUxdywsoE+VSgVKL1Toswf3SrCXVA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=c/yGeM3cCnC/mV9jWVHQv7d/h8TBG8SLAwiJVXoJALvdQwSO//Hi5h1ecfSB71ur1E lHQTUhEgpEAB9htt8PE+nmfMVkGkaMr0cBOXKvyp2L4KKuC/rPcbBC8+aZHzSC9h40ty 1XlDdBSyemnXRM8ol3s6Qe4D9H5HPkZz2ZAg8= Received: by 10.142.65.9 with SMTP id n9mr331308wfa.14.1289250813399; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:13:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.78.15 with SMTP id a15ls8805625wfb.2.p; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:13:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.149.20 with SMTP id w20mr339045wfd.17.1289250811598; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by o11g2000prf.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:13:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:13:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6cad124f-0c22-43e8-97ea-1b6b55f8bee7@35g2000prb.googlegroups.com> X-IP: 166.190.123.102 References: <494430.26999.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <335d7c1b-f673-4c86-adb3-064ca0aa955f@g28g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <6cad124f-0c22-43e8-97ea-1b6b55f8bee7@35g2000prb.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.12,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <0612230b-031e-45ce-892a-f29d143fd74a@o11g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: I wanted to share this with you (writing thingy!). From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > 1. What xorxes said. Whitespace or the next link. > 2. What about , ? http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289248658702.png > 3.http://yfrog.com/63coip<-- I tried it with my calligraphy pen. Very nice! > 4. Why did you choose ai ei oi au for the extra ones? They're the only permitted diphthongs in Lojban that aren't initial I/ U. I had A E I O U, but then 4 more spaces to fill in the vowel grid. More than that, it's a way to prevent non-permitted vowel clusters from appearing because there's no actual way to write "ou" in the system, it -has- to be "o,u" or "o.u". This does present one small problem in that {.uai} can be written, despite that triphthongs are not permitted in Lojban. If anybody can think of a solution, I'd love to hear it, but I spent a lot of time messing with the vowel grid and never came up with a decent replacement. > 5. Why are the vowels arranges the way they are, from bottom to top? In the original Elian Script this is how the grid is numbered. > Any particular reason? Actually, in general, is there a pattern to the > order that the characters appear in? Yes, there is a pattern. All plosives are on the left, fricatives in the middle, and the odd characters on the right (kinda...). As for the arrangement of PTK vs. any other arrangement of those three letters, it was what I felt should be the correct order. There was no thought in arranging them FSC vs. FCS vs. SCF or any other permutation, it's just how I felt they should be ordered. As far as the voiced table, L/ R and M/N are kinda paired anyway, so blah. =P tl;dr Dunno, mostly random arrangement. No reason in particular. > 6. This is actually really cool! Thank you. Finally, for those that still don't quite get it, there's a tutorial here: http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289250735647.png I didn't include everything, but all of this together should give you a fairly good idea of how to do this. It can also be written top-to- bottom. =D -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.