From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhC1yOLmBBoE_Rte5w@googlegroups.com Mon Nov 08 17:30:43 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PFd2k-0005Tp-RI; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:30:43 -0800 Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42sf7143136yxe.16 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:30:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=JvRUNmxdHhbQEPy4JS1RGtkEStrrwYGQLY7a7c3opkY=; b=Z8jQdKy5S/6eIbxed61CKsE151v/Pj/rY/OeJ1ZOb3jSqAFjrPqCQnoBFxFLct8Ksp VCUlK0OHevpy1vJNenc2vD0cGZvQ/G0mAjpQbD9QzbjLJNrhEAMh3J2VIuRrQibTKOAo qWWybjUJkYpFu70CacOM/Q5EAongXOI0gJReE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=XIKFBxnSqtnDW3bBsU2Dhzs5MO3fHZXMl8w00q+FBc3jjm1BBYsc/odtQ8dfVCABs3 r6otoN/qHWBvWPEvCyh3DjwWjCGckmSy89STlcyK1BSn5oAHArZi0aCkvBU8r48552Hq yCxIhIOY521X0yVz5+WqDzFlrJymZM3YUBrjw= Received: by 10.100.110.13 with SMTP id i13mr147039anc.38.1289266229383; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:30:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls3671713ibr.2.p; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:30:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.10.198 with SMTP id q6mr1317548ibq.3.1289266228610; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:30:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.10.198 with SMTP id q6mr1317547ibq.3.1289266228573; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:30:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com (mail-iw0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cm31si3615680ibb.7.2010.11.08.17.30.27; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.169; Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so7224007iwn.0 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:30:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.243.132 with SMTP id lm4mr3957483icb.177.1289266226794; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.198 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:30:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <494430.26999.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <335d7c1b-f673-4c86-adb3-064ca0aa955f@g28g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <6cad124f-0c22-43e8-97ea-1b6b55f8bee7@35g2000prb.googlegroups.com> <0612230b-031e-45ce-892a-f29d143fd74a@o11g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:30:26 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I wanted to share this with you (writing thingy!). From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e84b87812c8049494afa9 --90e6ba6e84b87812c8049494afa9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/11/8 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Lindar wrote: > >> 1. What xorxes said. > > Whitespace or the next link. > > http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289248658702.png > > I like the dot inside the vowel to mark stress. > > > This does present one small problem in that {.uai} can be written, > > despite that triphthongs are not permitted in Lojban. If anybody can > > think of a solution, I'd love to hear it, but I spent a lot of time > > messing with the vowel grid and never came up with a decent > > replacement. > > The PEG morphology allows the eight triphthongs, and CLL has at least > one example with triphthongs. So I would say it's a feature rather > than a bug. > > > Finally, for those that still don't quite get it, there's a tutorial > > here: > > > > http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289250735647.png > > > > I didn't include everything, but all of this together should give you > > a fairly good idea of how to do this. It can also be written top-to- > > bottom. =3DD > > How about this for a variation: > > For a CCV syllable, you can write the second consonant inside the > first one, and the vowel inside the second consonant. For a CVC > syllable, you can write the second consonant to the right of the vowel > inside the first consonant. That way each syllable is always a single > block, and you can immediately tell how many syllables there are. > (This would effectively become a syllabary.) > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > So, like this? http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289266175840.bmp --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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2010/11/8 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>= > 1. What xorxes said.
> Whitespace or the next link.
> http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289248658702.png=

I like the dot inside the vowel to mark stress.

> This does present one small problem in that {.ua= i} can be written,
> despite that triphthongs are not permitted in Lo= jban. If anybody can
> think of a solution, I'd love to hear it, = but I spent a lot of time
> messing with the vowel grid and never came up with a decent
> re= placement.

The PEG morphology allows the eight triphthongs, an= d CLL has at least
one example with triphthongs. So I would say it's= a feature rather
than a bug.

> Finally, for those that still don't quite ge= t it, there's a tutorial
> here:
>
> http://jbotcan= .org/ideas/src/1289250735647.png
>
> I didn't include everything, but all of this together shou= ld give you
> a fairly good idea of how to do this. It can also be wr= itten top-to-
> bottom. =3DD

How about this for a variat= ion:

For a CCV syllable, you can write the second consonant inside the
fi= rst one, and the vowel inside the second consonant. For a CVC
syllable, = you can write the second consonant to the right of the vowel
inside the = first consonant. That way each syllable is always a single
block, and you can immediately tell how many syllables there are.
(This = would effectively become a syllabary.)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

So, like this?
=A0

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmi= ma le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Co= me to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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