From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhD2s73mBBoEU2Lqug@googlegroups.com Mon Nov 01 17:23:34 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PD4ew-00012w-W1; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:23:34 -0700 Received: by vws14 with SMTP id 14sf8736476vws.16 for ; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:23:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2IsCogZmIjbfebu121l0dPKetxl150CznQInjh6tweM=; b=me5ejvvWbYtVB6aRVN0BZzrmZzqcNAcP9pCbGQjkg+t0FkuKZ4AccPqxEM2n2GB5ua Ub0126+ipxBpgSzMtOb+uGvegzzJwWF6Xafwcazw3blzN5kjin+xO0Bp6gWT7xSzc4tD PcLMG3OvNZyEq0cga55Ph/ODmBFa16/lz1M+o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=gVZvchLTb25lyksX0rOinVnBuyHbJsJYMAnAoTfG5FWhyYlO+1c+JVnbI/kAxJNZo4 CdpmRQSYxLPttSIC5OvuDZot1qX7oc1x3nBbv4B39b603vqFhatY8uYEXdGjeJmZDjdE SZJPs7h0U+YuSmp4iLfJxO5f3NoPdJJn1oP+o= Received: by 10.220.199.193 with SMTP id et1mr29083vcb.12.1288657398804; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:23:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.127.94 with SMTP id f30ls1041314vcs.1.p; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.181.77 with SMTP id bx13mr224063vcb.4.1288657396790; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.181.77 with SMTP id bx13mr224058vcb.4.1288657396031; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f49.google.com (mail-vw0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t41si998845vcr.0.2010.11.01.17.23.14; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.49; Received: by vws8 with SMTP id 8so3717403vws.22 for ; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:23:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.179.76 with SMTP id bp12mr1477232qab.264.1288657394874; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.187.77 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 17:23:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:23:14 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] lujvo deconstruction From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf302ef8b6423789049406ee5e --20cf302ef8b6423789049406ee5e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/11/1 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > The website Jvozba is a front end to a program that can both form and > > deconstruct lujvo and has not in my experience made any mistakes in suc= h > a > > task. In forming lujvo, it actually provides multiple suggestions as we= ll > as > > their scores. http://jwodder.freeshell.org/lojban/jvozba.cgi > > In deconstructing "cakrespa", it thinks it splits as "calku zei respa" > rather than the correct "ca kerfa zei spati". > That's not a very good example, since the {ca} falls off and the lujvo is actually {krespa}, which is correctly split. I wouldn't expect jvozba to correctly handle a fake lujvo that was purposely intended to fool it. > In making a lujvo from "calku" and "respa" it correctly makes it > "cakyrespa". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
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= > The website Jvozba is a front end to a program that can both form and<= br> > deconstruct lujvo and has not in my experience made any mistakes in su= ch a
> task. In forming lujvo, it actually provides multiple suggesti= ons as well as
> their scores. http://jwodder.freeshell.org/lojban/= jvozba.cgi

In deconstructing "cakrespa", it thinks it splits as &q= uot;calku zei respa"
rather than the correct "ca kerfa zei spa= ti".
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That's not a very good example, since the {ca} falls off and the l= ujvo is actually {krespa}, which is correctly split. I wouldn't expect = jvozba to correctly handle a fake lujvo that was purposely intended to fool= it.
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In making a lujvo from "cal= ku" and "respa" it correctly makes it "cakyrespa".=

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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