From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDf7eXmBBoEj1gt6g@googlegroups.com Tue Nov 09 08:29:33 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PFr4b-0006ev-HG; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:29:32 -0800 Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42sf7956090yxe.16 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:29:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=IX8+atseS/5Luw9AugMdCz26y/rlSsuu8m1BugIeeBc=; b=q4LDWTjyjQcq0HiH1R8HogTAP7FtEDdSRTqL+GlgeIrW3bSg6hCLpPp0yilrDaacy4 netRH0wy3XueKJgq0t8KrRQwzcEUsNkHGSYkSx3sfEbo1lAdrc4lROMpXbAG3OKUNC2l R4KKbfGvHGBOlHJO8BGJMP5foyPlc4HvhexCI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=IDR5TJZDjsCM62jYRZKevyXByE6/nl1jTiGxzHyjN9iVuIsb17gvSy58Qv2aqA/q7b skfrdgyniz2inTGm8aswB4BCmBLNm+NC4BFe3zwoHuOsu2msvMmt0uN0JFnjnHgeB1Rz Mk2kBrpxwJOwv+n8woUIeJflE1qX1prN7yRDk= Received: by 10.151.69.12 with SMTP id w12mr742577ybk.76.1289320159484; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:29:19 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls89214ibr.2.p; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.194 with SMTP id y2mr1547178ibd.12.1289320156921; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.194 with SMTP id y2mr1547177ibd.12.1289320156867; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f170.google.com (mail-iw0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si4171416ibq.5.2010.11.09.08.29.15; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.170; Received: by mail-iw0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 6so2088753iwn.15 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:29:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.11.3 with SMTP id r3mr5266196ibr.53.1289320154181; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.114.142 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:29:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:29:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] I wanted to share this with you (writing thingy!). From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d6729cac3ad0494a13de4 --0022152d6729cac3ad0494a13de4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh, and I can't believe I completely missed it, where is "y"? Maybe that's what could go in that "?" block (the upper right bock in the voiced grid)? On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > At first I didn't really like how you handled the vowels, but since I can't > immediately think of any better ways of doing it... ok. > > So I'm still not sure how "'", ".", and "," are handled under this system. > I see from one of the images that you put a little ^ looking thing > underneath the "e" in "mi'e". So, is that part of the system or was that > one of many creative ways to show it? > > Also, I thought I remembered at one point that you (or maybe it was lakmir > or someone else) had chosen vowels that made the diphthongs more obvious. > It was something like: > > i |ai | a > __|___|___ > oi| e | au > __|___|___ > o | ei| u > | | > > Where except in the case of "ei", each vowel diphthong could be made by > combining the two corners that make up the constituent vowels. i.e. |_ + > _| = |_| > > Did this idea fall through the cracks or did I dream it? > > I'm guessing at this point there is no chance of changing the system > without causing an episode, so don't take this as me trying to get up in > larlermorna and change everything on you lindar. I'm just wondering > whatever happened to the vowels. > > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > >> So, ummm... I could like, use this for my signature on pictures, if >> I had any artistic ability whatwoever? >> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/Mturniansky/Vlapir#5537576240006013778 >> >> --gejyspa >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0022152d6729cac3ad0494a13de4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, and I can't believe I completely missed it, where is "y"?= =A0Maybe that's what could go in that "?" block (the upper r= ight bock in the voiced grid)?

On Tue, No= v 9, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
At first I didn't really like how you h= andled the vowels, but since I can't immediately think of any better wa= ys of doing it... ok.

So I'm still not sure how "'", ".&quo= t;, and "," are handled under this system. =A0I see from one of t= he images that you put a little ^ looking thing underneath the "e"= ; in "mi'e". =A0So, is that part of the system or was that on= e of many=A0creative ways to show it?

Also, I thought I remembered at one point that you (or = maybe it was lakmir or someone else) had chosen vowels that made the diphth= ongs more obvious. =A0It was something like:

i |ai | a=A0
__|___|___
<= div>oi| e | au
__|___|___
o | ei| u
=A0=A0| =A0 | =A0=A0<= /font>

Where except in the case of "ei", each vowel = diphthong could be made by combining the two corners that make up the const= ituent vowels. =A0i.e. =A0 |_ =A0+ _| =A0=3D |_|

D= id this idea fall through the cracks or did I dream it?

I'm guessing at this point there is no chance of ch= anging the system without causing an episode, so don't take this as me = trying to get up in larlermorna and change everything on you lindar. =A0I&#= 39;m just wondering whatever happened to the vowels.

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Michael Tur= niansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0So, ummm... I could like, use this for my signature on pictures, if
I had any artistic ability whatwoever?

http://picasaweb.google.com/Mturniansky/Vlapir#553757= 6240006013778

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

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